To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

We have high housing costs, because we don’t build enough homes and import nearly one million immigrants a year and then wonder why more people and same housing means more expense.

Nothing to do with low interest rates? Nothing to do with the fact we turned housing into an asset?

But your food shop has gone up because everyone was squealing for furlough during covid so they could sit in their garden and watch Netflix. The £1 trillion borrowed and printed and during covid so healthy people could sit at home is why we have had inflation.

Yep, it would be better if they all lost their jobs. That would have been great for civil order and also have resulted in zero financial consequences...

Your energy bills have gone up because we don’t produce energy at home like those countries who are largely immune from it due to producing their own energy. The net 0 scam means that we are shutting down oil fields, not allowed to produce our own gas and get taxed billions so government cronies can get their ‘green subsidies’.

Nothing to do with privatisation for a quick buck?

You are paying more than ever in tax because more than half the population is net contributors and nearly 10 million people of working age are claiming benefits rather then working full time or at all.

Are you including pensioners in this? It's not unusual to have a high % of net contributors it's the demographics that matter. And a large majority of that 10m are people who retired early, students & sick/disabled

I don't think it was arrogant but certainly badly misinformed. Our failure to train people in school to think critically and to raise educational standards (especially in relation to modern history and economics) is partly to blame.

I think even if the current Government tried to 'reverse' Brexit we would not get the same deal as we had before.

It was a democratic vote and if Labour goes back on the vote's outcome then that will fall nicely into the hands of Reform.

The issues that are effecting the UK were there before Brexit, which only enhanced them. The root of the problem is simply the rich are too rich and money that should be going into the public purse is going to foreign investors instead who have zero obligation to make things better for people living in the UK. e.g. Thames Water being sold off and then the expectation that the public purse will help them out of their financial woes despite taking huge salaries.

Stop referring to the political union of the EU as Europe. That's the propaganda that EU leaders spout to make the Union seem like all encompassing. It's not, and insulting to the rest of Europe. Don't abcuse people of being stupid and show your self to be ignorant in the same sentence.

This country is cooked

I agree with that point

I concur with your sentiment, but not your choice of language.

I also felt that watching the Brexit debacle unfold was like watching a library being burnt down by people who can't read, but these days I'm more muted in my view, and belittling people is never constructive.

Your desire, presumably, for everyone is for those who voted for Brexit to realise their mistake, to educate themselves on the reasons behind - and the destructive results of - Brexit and to worth with, rather than against, us in doing what's best for the country. We won't get that by telling people who made a stupid mistake that they are stupid. Many aren't, many were hoodwinked, others voted out of desperation, or a misplaced desire to 'stick it to the man' in government.
I think we best achieve that with understanding. Yes, Brexit was a massive mistake that was very obvious to half the country, but it happened. And now we need to fix that, and to better help this country by leading by example and forging closer ties with mainland Europe, especially in the light of Trump's pound-shop fascism.

Brexit has been a disaster unless you're in the top 5% essentially.

Going back would be great, but if anyone thinks EU will draw some harder lines the UK ever does ask to go back is deluding themselves. It will be more proof that we need them more than they need us ... which our economy has definitely proven to be true imo.

Let alone the nightmare unfolding on the other side of the Atlantic ... which the far right and uneducated here seem to be gleefully joining in on. There's a reason Teslas are still selling here and nowhere else ...

If you understood anything about anything you would know that supply and demand determines pricing, even for housing - shock horror.

The way to avoid pissing up a £1 trillion in furlough and other largesse would have been to…..oh I don’t know, not shit the economy down, keep healthy people, 99% who were never at risk working. What a novel idea. But hey, you wouldn’t have been able to bake mediocre banana bread the whole time then.

Private energy companies don’t produce energy. They just issue your bill. Energy production is a completely different sector. Supply and demand again, notice?

And no, 10m people or working age are 10m people of working age. You can make all sorts of excuses for people to not work, but then don’t expect the magic money tree to keep shedding £ notes. Smaller pie means smaller share.

🙄 never learnt to curb your misplaced arrogance with Brexiteers and you won't with Reformers. You then wonder why they are successful. Look in the mirror.

Ah, Brexit.
The referendum that was not actually legally binding, contrary to what most of the ill informed electorate believed.
Fucking lemmings blindly accepting whatever was fed to them by the politically biased media.
It was less a case of 'The people have spoken' and more a 'The people have played right into the hands of the Government'.

@BisiBodi I actually did use to think like you & have said similar on here many a time. However after the Reform vote, I'm truly baffled that people are so quick to believe Farage again & can't get my head around many thinking Reform will improve their lives.

Whilst I have no doubt that racism and xenophobia was uppermost in a large amount of Brexiteers' minds, I think it's disingenuous to completely ignore the desire of many for UK sovereignty - even with the knowledge that it would be a painful process, at least to begin with.

The huge ongoing desire for independence from the UK amongst an extremely sizeable minority of Scots hasn't been denounced as xenophobia, bigotry or pure lunacy. I'm sure most of those in favour are fully aware that it would be a very rough ride to begin with; but - for wise or for foolish, or for anything in between - they see it as a price worth paying for long-term gain in their overriding desire for freedom and independence from the current status quo that they are deeply unhappy with, whatever their own reasons.

Seriously? Your vote is based on whether or not a random on the internet called you "stupid"?🤯

Can you not see how stupid that is? How easily manipulated it makes you?🤦‍♀️

Tell that to Nigel:
The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681.amp

...the working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.

And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.

If you understood anything about anything you would know that supply and demand determines pricing, even for housing - shock horror.

Why do you think I'm unaware supply and demand isn't important? It isn't everything though but if you can't understand that 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't even understand the rest of your ranting.

Enjoy a Reform government. You will soon have one, you’re going exactly the right way about it.

How could people play right into the hands of the government when the government put out leaflets encouraging people to vote Remain, the PM was an ardent remainer who resigned after Brexit won? Most of the media was pro-remain.

You don’t understand basics like supply and demand. It’s clear.

Yeah, the government in the Kremlin.

Russia invested a lot in the Leave Campaign. Wonder why?🤔

You understand that immigration has increased and not decreased since Brexit?

There's minimal public UK appetite to rejoin the EU - what about the surge in support for Reform makes anyone think that there is?

And the EU as a whole would make welcoming noises but would take years to finalise a deal with us that would look nothing like the 'jam today and jam tomorrow' deal that we had and pissed down the wind. They'd want to take their time to be sure that we wouldn't just stomp off again.

I'm about as Remain as can be, mainly because of the European wars i believe it prevents, but I'm not that eager to join the euro, and if I don't want to, you can bet a majority don't.

A chunk of Leave voters I believe were motivated primarily by wanting to see upward pressure on wages. That has definitely happened, so it's a bit daft to think that nothing people want came with Brexit. It's just that - surprise! - we now have much more inflation as well, so in general unless you have unusually low outgoings, you don't feel better off.

Many posters here really aren't trying hard enough to show that they are not misinformed, gullible, narrow minded, ignorant, etc 😆

Our government could have delivered Brexit and kept free movement of people. It was their choice not to and it’s so central to the European project that it shut off other opportunities too. I don’t think it was the hill to die on, but it’s the one they chose.

No, we are letting you show us how it's done.

The loss of freedom of movement is what upsets me. Retiring abroad is now only for the rich. Young people living and working abroad is much more restricted now. I feel we've massively let them down.