To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

Please tell us all about these wonderful Brexit benefits that are about to unfold! I'm waiting with baited breath.

tbf, I was bought the test as a Christmas present. I qualified, paid for the first year to get the certificate and then intend to let my membership lapse.

Didn't the UK economy shrink by about £140 billion due to Brexit? Plus if we had a free trade agreement with the EU, our nearest trading block, it would mitigate the impact of Trump's tariffs.

It destroyed the Conservative Party, pissed off racists and Tommy, the great patriot, man of the people, Brexiteer, Robinson moved to Spain. With his newly acquired Irish passport.

Do those things count?

How did the 'remainders' block everything? The negotiations were done by hard-line Brexiteers. Boris 'got Brexit done' by leaving without any sort of deal. He boasted about the 'oven ready deal' which he got through Parliament, so how is this shitshow the fault of 'remainders'? Footage of the negoations were hilarious though. The EU representatives turning up with folders of notes and David Davis turning up with a notepad and pen. They were all too lazy and complacent to do it properly.

Lots of people couldn't afford to study abroad before Brexit. We shouldn't fool ourselves.
But Brexit hasn't done any good. True.

Well how did you vote? I have fuck all sympathy for anyone who voted to leave.

The great benefit of Brexit was enabling the country to become more extremist. Obviously, once you’ve got people to vote a particular way on the basis that it will protect them from uncontrolled immigration, no money for the NHS and straight bananas, you can move onto protecting people from money-wasting diversity, equity and inclusion strategies, a bloated, lazy public sector, benefit scroungers and unhealthy fatties who are ruining the NHS and the economy with their poor health and depravity. Then you can move onto women and their unreliability, weakness and hysteria in the workplace, their ridiculous notions of work-life balance, their harmful feminisation of men, and how they are ruining the next generation and not doing their patriotic duty of having children. Before we know it, they’ll be saying most people shouldn’t be allowed to vote, because they don’t contribute enough to this country to deserve a vote - people should do as they are told.

clavinova

This poll says otherwise re rejoin. Also polls consistently say people think it was a bad decision.

natcen.ac.uk/public-attitudes-new-eu-referendum

Which poll are you quoting Clavinova?

I haven't had time to read much of your link but I notice that the researcher has based his percentage calculations on Germany receiving 148,000 asylum applications in 2021 - however I have just checked and the correct figure is over 190,000 so his comparison is flawed. Germany then received over 244,000 asylum applications in 2022 and over 350,000 applications in 2023. The researcher only looks at 2021 stats (incorrectly).

Potential re-accession to the EU - March 2025 - including those who answered neither/don't know;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

Your link says they have excluded the don't knows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

So reading that more want to rejoin than stay out.

And there are some don't knows.

A choice that doesn't accord with your own isn't necessarily a "stupid" choice. What is important to you may not be important for someone else.Children should not be taught to be entitled and to believe that their thinking is the only right way and that everyone else that disagrees with them is stupid.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on

However the most recent poll in the link says that 45% of respondents want to rejoin, 38% stay out and 17% neither/don't know. Hardly the basis to run a new referendum.

It could only be reversed with another referendum and given the support for RefUK I doubt many would vote to rejoin.

Plus we would have a much weaker bargaining position than we did previously.

Without commenting on the subject. I'd like to say this is probably the most mature and excellent discussion on brexit I have seen. There actually appears to be people listening to each other, not necessarily changing their minds but at least respecting that someone else has a different view even if , in their opinion, it is wrong. Thank You.

I think almost certainly if the vote had gone to Remain, a majority would say that was the wrong decision a few years later. The great benefit of Brexit that I do believe is that it's given every UK politician the yips at the idea of suggesting referendums for anything.

Great post 👏

All too true very sadly. And really alarming.

It’s all about division, “othering” and sowing distrust. Foisting blame on others; never accepting responsibility for failure.

At the same time, under-mining and under-resourcing the judiciary,

Suddenly there is no more civic society; just business deals. And the ordinary man in the street suffers the consequences.

If you deliberately cut yourself off and move away from the roughly centre left Christian democrat position of the EU; where do you expect to end up? The only way to go is right!

I am so sick of hearing that the EU is over-inflated and bureaucratic. Sorry but it takes a lot of meetings and paperwork to reach consensus between 27 countries speaking 24 languages! Yes; consensus! A bringing together of separate nations to pursue similar aims. Isn’t that refreshing in today’s political climate?

Or do we want to go the way of the USA and have power concentrated in the hands of a few billionaires who can make extremely dubious decisions in an instant?

Just explain the reality that our former Prime Minister chose to gamble away the future of the country in a failed attempt at settling some in-fighting within his own party, and that an ill-informed electorate

Personal attacks on peoples intelect/comprehension is not a trait of a wise person. Whilst you are not saying the PM unilaterally exited EU you are blaming the PM for giving people a voice. A voice, clearly, that doesn't accord with your own.

Of course, there is nothing inherently stupid about people making choices that I wouldn't make. But there are some choices which are just stupid.

So, for example, I don't like beetroot and I choose not to eat it. However, I won't think you're stupid if you do want to eat it, I will simply think that you are making a different choice to mine and I will respect your right to do so. If, however, you were making the choice to take heroin, I would think that was stupid because I would see it as an act of self harm.

In the same way, I have no issue with people making different political choices to my own. As you say, people will indeed have different priorities. However, I regard Brexit as having been a monumentally stupid act of national self harm, so unless the priority was to fuck up the country indefinitely, I can't see what people think they have achieved.

But I'm open to hearing your views. Please tell me why you think Brexit was an intelligent decision to make, and what benefits you think it has delivered.

I'm blaming the former PM for putting a very complex issue to the public vote in the form of a very simplistic question, not because he thought it was the right thing to do but because he wanted to silence critics in his own party.

Didn't most polls predict stay ..aren't these polls not necessarily accurate as the pre-brexit polls were?