Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

I am not actually sure why I should care about crime stats by country of origin anymore than I should care about crime stats by height, hair colour, or favourite music.

Immigration policy should treat people as individuals not as a homogenous mass.

Is there a country name that is not Britain that is used to describe the culture of the grooming gangs?

or can people who live in Britain only describe themselves as British with British cultural traditions?

uhoh - I think you might have a petard hoisted there

I'm not the one going on about the length of my ancestry in the UK or dictating who can or can't come into the country. People can describe themselves however they like.

You're still trying to derail the thread. The stats are about crimes committed by foreigners and we seem to have moved away from pretence to be concerned about VAWAG.

have you read any of the thread?

in a thread full of stupid comments I’ve got to give this one a prize.

If men who liked Beethoven were statically significantly more likely to be violent against women and girls once settled in Britain than that is the characteristic which would be of concern.

you should care if stats show a greater risk of women and girls being raped and assaulted. But you are perfectly entitled to not care about ther. But at least clearly articulate what you are breezily not caring about.

”The grooming gangs were allowed to operate because people wouldn’t allow horrific sexual violence of girls by men of particular cultural groups to be identified and talked about for fear of being called racist and causing “community tensions””

You are falling for the police propagandist excuse as to why they turned a blind eye and some even participated in raping these girls. The police have allowed most grooming gangs to operate for decades whether white British (vast majority) or rest of British because the victims are almost always working class girls or girls in care. There is no race or ethnicity in Britain that is disproportionately more likely to be in a grooming gang according to the public enquiries already done.

I wouldn't bother. Some use it as an excuse to sow division. See Musk, Robinson, Farage and their various toadies.

They're not interested in the facts.

I agree, too many posters are mathematically undereducated and have not listened to my posts early on that you cannot directly and meaningfully compare data from two vastly different sample sizes. You cannot draw any reliable conclusions looking at foreign country of origin compared to British origin for crimes in Britain because the sample size of tens of millions of British is too big to be compared to a sample size of tens of thousands or less for each country.

It is really depressing. To see otherwise intelligent people falling for misinformation like this because they never took Uni level stats courses.

Grooming gangs were just the latest of a series of failures by the various police forces in the north of England. Hillsborough cover up, Orgreave in 1984, accepting hospitality weekly from Jimmy Savile, to give examples.

For me, it would depend on where you'd got your 'facts' from.

If it's been anywhere near eg GB News, Farage, Lee Anderson, Lawrence Fox & co, The Daily Mail or anyone on SM then I'd take it with a pinch of salt bigger than my house.

The amount of blatant lies people get away with telling on SM in particular is absolutely staggering.

Yes, this isn’t new at all.

It's impossible to gather reliable statistics on sexual violence because it's so rarely reported. We have a conservative estimate of one in three women affected in their lifetime but it's much higher. You also have to account for bias.

The comparison relevant to immigration decisions is the country or origin of other people seeking residency - not the British

if stastics show that men from country A are more likely to sexually offend then men from country B

as I have said several times the obvious solution is women and children only - but for some reason Milo and others just aren’t interested in that - because MEN ARE PEOPLE TOO

You're coming across as disengenuous. It's already been explained several times that human rights apply to everyone and you can't discriminate.

You're trying to racially profile people and prevent them from entering the country based on assumptions.

But it isn’t their human right to enter the country is it?

They have a right to seek refuge, if you're talking about asylum seekers.

Yes but that isn’t an unqualified right to live in Britain.

The UK imposes a numerical limit on that right and on several occasions offers asylum on the basis of country of origin

They have a right to seek refuge in any country signed up to the Refugee Convention. When they apply for asylum they are entitled to other rights such as housing.

Woven within most international instruments and national laws is the principle of non discrimination. Asylum seekers have a right to seek refuge without discrimination.

Yes, the UK has taken refugees via certain pathways such as Ukrainians, people from Hong Kong and Afghanistan.

Not if they’re a rapist or a risk to the country they’re not.

Well quite - they have declined other applicants on the basis of their country of origin. In other words - discriminated against them on the basis of their country of origin

As said - those are alll instruments written by people (mostly white men as it happens) that are not sacrosanct.

The home office can decline on the grounds of security concerns - but I acknowledge that they well
kight not consider potential violence against women and girls as a security concern. Again - that’s not sacrosanct

Yes, an application can be refused if you've committed war crimes, are involved in terrorism or committed a serious crime.

Can you give an example?