Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

Ok let's stop then as we are obviously arguing at cross purposes as I am not really sure what you are talking about either! 😆

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Thanks. Very helpful.

Unhelpful edit on my part. I think I was trying to be facetious.

I've always called myself half x and half British. Not wholly one or the other. Quite nice to have a foot in each camp just so you can hedge your bets according to eg how well a particular football team is doing. If the Irish are doing better in the World Cup you should be Irish; if the English are doing better then be English. And swap as needed.

I wasn't really asking about myself. I was raising a general point about how culture is much more complicated than looking at immigration data or lineage. Hence the kind of policy changes OP is suggesting would likely be questionable.

you don’t think that different countries have identifiably different cultures?

@MonsteraDelicious

It would definitely be hard to do. You would need a lot of categories to record the statistics in, taking into account all sorts of variables. I'm not sure what it would achieve and is a bit Minority Report.

The solution is perhaps far better policing and education of all children in social norms of behaviour.

I shouldn't keep coming back to this thread, it's gone so bonkers 😂 Obviously data is collected (which is already done when someone's arrested) within clearly defined parameters and is analysed impartially to discover whether trends can be identified, and to quantify them if so. This then provides a reliable foundation for discussions on what, if anything, needs to change and how.

Reading the replies here, though, you'd think data collection was just another name for racist rants by the kind of people who think British citizenship should be limited to those who can prove UK ancestry going back 1,000 years and are blissfully unaware they, themselves wouldn't qualify.

They're even arguing among themselves about that! It's like being the only sober adult at closing time in the student union bar. (And, yes, weirdly similar to the cyclical 'debate' about men with gender identities being allowed to force women to get undressed in front of them.)

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

Oh my gosh, some of these replies. Liberal women just desperate to absolve some violent men of any responsibility for their actions, less they be called racist, whilst poor, vulnerable women and girls are raped and abused en masse.

We can see from the dismissive response of Labour's Lucy Powell, how little many "liberal" women care about protecting the rights of working class women and girls and how they view them with absolute contempt. Disgraceful.

You seem very confused. If you're talking about the grooming gangs, they weren't immigrants. This data will demonstrate crimes by foreigners.

Second, part of Labour's manifesto is to half domestic violence, so they are committed to addressing VAWAG.

What's disgraceful is using VAWAG as a figleaf for discrimination and to strip people off their human rights.

The grooming gangs were allowed to operate because people wouldn’t allow horrific sexual violence of girls by men of particular cultural groups to be identified and talked about for fear of being called racist and causing “community tensions”.

exactly what the despicable milo is doing on this thread

Absolutely vile disregard for protecting women and girls from sexual violence and exploitation

the left are as bad as the right

The post you quoted is another poster replying to me literally when I was asking a rhetorical question. I know that data is available. Anyone who took a vague interest in data would be able to Google it. I've previously analysed some of this data myself after seeing some very questionable line graphs floating about social media which rather dishonestly showed that men from other countries disproportionately commit certain types of crime. I can say it is dishonest because I then found the data myself and performed an analysis.

You’ll be looking out for the statistics the OP has referred to being released then

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Crime statistics are already publicly available, that's my point.

You speak positively of Labour here @MiloMinderbinder925

Why do you think they’re releasing these figures?

Look at the data. Do you know who disproportionately commits violence against women? Men!

Look at the data. Do you know who disproportionately commits violence against women? Men!

Yes, but like many other datasets, that can be refined further.

Spot on.

They know this. They’re pulling every sidestepping tactic in the book to avoid the obvious. It’s Carla Denyer’s speciality.

Who are "they"? I already said I analysed publicly available data on conviction rates after seeing some spurious line graphs online with no sources. You are welcome to do the same.

You analyzed crime rates by country of origin? How? Where do you get the raw data from?

I am aware of that. Tbh I feel that comment is sophistry employed to try to suggest we should hide statistics that illuminate who is perpetrating random or premeditated attacks against women.

You're trying to derail the thread and make it about Muslims. The grooming gangs weren't foreign and have absolutely nothing to do with stats on foreigners.

I'm sure you do. It's possible to spin anything to suit your agenda.