Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

@LookingForRecommendationdo you have something in mind on this? I’m not sure what it would be

Why are you pursuing this poster with such nastiness. Grow up!

Good point, if the stats are correct. But this causes embarrassment and offence. Look how long it took dedicated campaigners to get the grooming-gang scandal even recognised, let alone action taken.

So much easier to keep quiet and let women and girls go on being victimised.

‘Racist’ is the new ‘TERF’. And the rape apologists are the new TRAs. These people have found a new cause in trying to shut women up. First they threw around transphobe as a slur, now they are calling women racist. These people need to be called out.

What people?

Women are more likely to vote for pro mass immigration parties than men.

Massive restrictions on asylum

Thanks for your insightful reply 😂 I'm acting as if figures will tell us whether they are!

Are you 100% from the same Celtic tribe with no Norman, Roman or Danish heritage? You have no way of knowing. The chances are your ancestors are from many different places in Europe and potentially other continents. It would be highly unlikely that your every ancestor was born on this Island.

However, it's perfectly possible that a British person could have most of their ancestry dating back at least as far as 1200AD, which is when the Maori arrived in New Zealand, for instance. And most people would have no issues describing them as indigenous.

Siimilarly, I grew up on a country that dates its national origin back to the 1820s. However it has a strong, distinct national identity and traditions.

All of this though, as interesting as it is, feels like a bit of a distraction from the safety of women and girls.

We don't know that any immigrant group is disproportionately responsible for sex crimes. You're acting as if we have figures that say they are.

These figures are available for many European countries though.

Maybe but how do they get around international law?

Yes, this is what I thought, too.

2% of rapes results in a conviction. The vast majority of rapists get away with it.

Is it the case that the kinds of sexual assaults that are more likely to result in a conviction (e.g. by strangers, in public places) have different perpetrators to the kind that don’t result in a conviction (i.e. by men known to the victim, by someone met on a night out, etc)?

I’m not saying that this is definitely the case, but releasing theses figures without context to understand them is pretty reckless.

If anyone is interested, here's the rape statistics for Germany for 2023 broken down by nationality. The source for the figures is cited at the bottom of the chart, should anyone feel it's untrue and wish to verify.

There's also a very unfortunate headline pertaining to Frankfurt.

The comment that I was originally replying to was @sparrowflewdownsaying "I am indigenous British and proud of my ancestors and will not be made to feel ashamed and will not be corrected on this. It is my heritage."
I didn't really see that anyone was trying to make them feel ashamed but also interested to know how she was so certain

But yes, not really relevant to the original question, however I did feel compelled to ask them because it was such a random comment and quite a large claim as well.

You seem to be talking about people being racially profiled. That they would be more likely to commit a crime given their race or ethnicity.

That even their children are racially profiled and more likely to commit a crime. I'm not exactly sure what the HO is meant to do with that information.

For example, we bring in many people from India on work visas and India has a reputation for violence against women and girls. You seem to be suggesting that we should brand Indian people and their children as potential abusers of women and not let them in.

I mean if we’re going to go into it on that level, indigenous Australians are actually descended from East Asians and this is how they entered the continent thousands of years ago. Are they not indigenous any more, in your view?

I never said they were. The other poster did.

Ok, hopefully they’ll tell me.

You're still banging on about 'indigenous' people. What point are you trying to make?

The rape apologists have nicely side stepped this post.

Wouldn’t want to be compelled to address this head on now, would we?

So we shouldn’t stop likely rapists from entering the country - or impose requirements or restrictions on such a group of men - because it would be unfair because men who already live in the country can get away with rape far easier??

why are people so worried about being unfair in the context of trying to do lots of different things to stop women and girls being raped?

if a man is more likely to be convicted of rape because of his cultural background the answer is not to take less steps to convict - but MORE steps to convict born in Britain men

@MyOliveHelper main concern is how unfair it will be on adult sons who are get convicted for sex offences.

If you read the absolute crap in the evidence on rothetham it was precisely all this crap ain’t worrying about upsetting particular groups that meant those poor girls were abused

why are people happy to put risk to women and girls at the bottom of the pile

Did you see the stats from Germany about Syria? My solution would be to change our refugee approach to take only women and children from Syria. If family reunification is an issue that could be factored in. But given it’s mostly single men I’d be all about taking in single women and girls.

if fact - I am entirely happy to only take in women and girls/young boys as refugees. Lots of ways this could be done - preventing risky trips over the channel and setting up better and more effective processing at refugee camps where the vast majority of Syrian refugees are.

entirely possible. Not racist. Good for Syrian women and girls reduces the risk for British women and girls.

@2024onwardsandup I think it's a brilliant idea to only let men who aren't misogynist or from a culture with domestic violence into the country.

It's sky high in the States and they have child marriage there as well. They've elected a rapist for president so I say ban them.

Does the evidence for show that Americans are more likely to commit vawg in Britain? If so - crack on with that policy. I have no problem with that at all.

@MiloMinderbinder925 see also that I’m a big of Thailand/Cambodia etc putting in place restrictions in whole men from British and Australia to reduce the incident of sexual violence there from
these groups