Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

Racial profiling. Look at some of the comments.

Well it does, because you insist that the only sex crimes that are covered up are by immigrant men and we've never colluded as a society to protect white male sex predators.

This is the point. Girls and women who cannot get justice against the men who assault them. Conviction rates are shockingly low.

Jimmy Savile disagrees.

And the dangerous thing is that we have naive people like the poster above who really believe it doesn't occur in "indigenous British" communities. Only immigrant ones.

It means all women around her are at risk of abuse by the men around her because she thinks they aren't like that and the police will get them if they will.

Who said it doesn’t occur in British communities? Can you quote?

^ here you said the church weren't helped by the police.

We don't know that any immigrant group is disproportionately responsible for sex crimes. You're acting as if we have figures that say they are.

It’s meaningless to compare these stats to the CofE, Jimmy Savile etc

Firstly the vast majority of men regardless of colour or background are not vicars or TV presenters. Secondly, these crimes were covered up not because the men were white British but because of their positions of power and privilege.

They had nothing to do with race and more to do with power and influence, as I suspect you know.

at last.

I've tried to walk alone in Britain in white areas outside London..I was sexually harassed and racially abused by indigenous Brits.

Decades ago I went on a (girls) school trip to Italy. Headmistress adressed all the girls just before we left. She warned us, in no uncertain way, about Italian men and their dreadful, behaviour. They had no respect for women. We must make sure we keep a proper distance from them. Nice, well brought up girls like us were apparently very vulnerable to these latin types....

But he surely deserves to have his family broken up like the deportee and should be socially reprimanded forever as he's a pervert peering through railings, right? Your son should carry that shame with him forever too. It should be a barrier to career success and probably shouldn't be allowed to live near children.

The point the poster was making was that white sexual predators have been protected by the police and other institutions. The Catholic church, MPs, the CofE and various individuals like Savile.

The Catholic church covered up tens of thousands of child sex abuse cases that went back decades. They were able to do so due to collusion.

The indigenous in her is indigenous. It isn't thinking that you're indigenous and then discovering your great grandmother moved here from Malta.

And then we have to remember that positions of power lack diversity. It's mostly white men. White men putting themselves in power so they can collude and protect themselves from punishment for wrongdoings like sex offences, but also things like fraud, trafficking, exploitation etc.

The problem is the bulk of the people from these places we import are unskilled, uneducated and impoverished.

Crime is disproportionately weighted by poverty.

The added issue is we've imported millions of people from cultures with very different attitudes to women.

Predators finding a way to groom vulnerable children. There's currently compensation being paid out in LA to former residents of a children's care home which was chock full of abusers for years.

What on earth are you talking about? There is an ‘indigenous’ ancestry in Britain (of which I have very little given my family circumstances). Most people here have some, not all, and this will be higher in Celtic areas (which I don’t live in). You sound like you just desperately want British people to be seen as less worthy than others.

The Celts are considered indigenous Britons. But we seem to be circling this passion in ethnic purity again.

But we can’t deport them can we?

They’re meaningless to this debate. We’re talking about whether we should be deporting or limiting immigration on a demographic which according to the stats is higher risk for women.

What do you think? Should women face an even higher risk than they do already to accommodate immigration and racial harmony?

And no, I’m not a racist, I voted Lib Dem, am pro-EU and generally pro immigration. Tarring me with the Reform UK brush will not work, in case you were going to try that.

Your first paragraph is utter rubbish. Statistics show that per capita immigrants from some countries do 40 times more sexual assaults than British men. There are also immigrants from some countries who do far less SA than British men. The same stats repeat across Europe.

I have posted these stats on mn before but they were removed because stats apparently are racist. You can google them yourself.

immigrants from some countries are far more dangerous to women than are immigrants from others.

why are so many women on mn so defensive of these groups of immigrants that are 40 times more likely to carry out sa on women? There are plenty of countries with much safer men.

this is so much like the trans debate where so many mn women argued men should be allowed in women’s changing rooms despite the risks. Why are so many mn women defensive of these groups risk of sa to women?

It's a hypothetical question and it's quite complex. We already do deport foreigners who receive more than a 12 month sentence.

Cooper is talking about deporting asylum seekers who commit sexual crimes in the UK irrespective of their sentence.

You're going to come up against human rights law because you can't send someone back to a country where they could face persecution.

In order to deport someone you need agreement from their country which can sometimes take a long time.

In my opinion people who call statistics racist are basically saying don't use race or country of origin statistics because we know it will show up things we don't want to see. I say go with what the truth is and deal with the truth whatever that may be. The truth isn't racist. Accurate knowledge on crime is essential to tackling crime. Criminals should not get a pass because of skin colour or county of origin. Laws are applicable to all.

And the human rights of women? Those pesky victims? What is your opinion?