To think this country’s gone to S***

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Second time now I’ve sat down to have drinks with a friend only to be met with “I don’t agree with Farage, but…”

Cue a rant about Muslims, immigrants, how the country is not what they remember in the good old days.

More and more people are starting to spout this drivel about immigrants. Yesterday it was literally ‘I’m not racist, I have asian family, but’ and then cue racist rant.

I feel like the country I love that used to be fair and tolerant has gone to shit.

"They"
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Nice bit of othering there! 😅

If only the Brexit/Reform voters would own the £150bn hole they blew in our nation finances taking "their" country back and it's now worse the path out of the chaos is to double down on it. Allah help us all (other gods are available!).

Except that funding for asylum seekers comes from the home office and housing for home communities comes from local councils and as much as lots of people are advocating for it, whole place funding just doesn’t happen.

So the equivalent would be saying that if Tesco spent less on decor, prices would be cheaper in sainsbury

David Copeland. Callum Parslow. That’s several examples now, before we even get into further afield with Brenton Tarrent, Anders Breivig and the like. The only people staring me in the face right now is the mentality and attitudes of people like you who won’t see the context or bigger picture.

Why can’t funds be diverted by another party. That’s what we’re voting on pretty much, how to prioritise our taxes.

what a ridiculous post. The funding comes from the same source - the public purse. It’s like saying if Tesco spent less from its decor budget prices would be cheaper

Did you type about seeing the bigger picture with a straight face? You want to be a saviour at whatever cost; tunnel vision. Stabbings, bombings are far more of a danger to me than patriotic Brits. Actually make that English because it's only they who get the shit thrown at them about patriotism being wrong.

Will you home a few immigrants Op? Will you house them, feed them, look after them?

He said the MP was "from Pakistan yet now he's my MP".

Not this ridiculous comment again, come on

There’s no talking to you is there?

It was mentioned by one poster
You haven't mentioned the poster who claimed he was from Pakistan when he isn't. Unfortunately there are racists and xenophobes in the constituency who would claim he isn't British.

Why, because I refuse to comform to your view? Ridiculous attitude on a forum.

Yes, people like Braverman... 🙄

I haven’t suggested you conform to my view. If anything, I feel sorry for you and how tremendously inadequate you must be as a human being.

You're not refusing to conform to @WinterMorn's view, you're being deliberately obtuse and refusing to consider any other information that may even slightly affect your puerile view that the country is on its knees because we are kind to a small amount of the worlds refugees, rather than the drooling, knuckledragging, flagshagging antics of the Brexiteers and 14 years of Tory criminality when we needed our government the most.

Hope that helps 🙏🏼

Why go there with insults

But also I’m interested why is it more complex than a backlash? Re pp

Plenty of Muslims were born here.

So what is the answer? I agree that the distribution should be more equal but this is to do with housing costs. We have agreed to house those in danger in their own country as part of the 1951 Refugee Convention. We process their asylum claims far too slowly but over 90% are accepted. There are 122 million displaced people in the world and the prediction is that climate change will increase this to 150 million in the next ten years. There is a refugee camp in Bangladesh with 1 million refugees so claiming we have no money or room is disingenuous. We currently host less than 1% of the world's refugees and, contrary to the headlines, France have more than double our asylum applications and Germany have double France's. Reform plan to refuse their entry and send them back to France which hardly seems a responsible position. Asylum seekers are not allowed to work and there is a campaign to change this here https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/right-to-work-there-is-no-new-scheme-for-people-seeking-asylum/
We need better education in this country around this issue and a government who will ensure that all people have their basic needs met.

Absolutely. And people born here may choose to start to follow or convert

It’s not an insult, it’s my perception based on the level and style of commentary offered to me so far. As for the pp, every time I have attempted to explain or develop any point on this thread, it’s been thrown back at me so I give up.

Have you ever considered why so many people are starting to think that way ? I always voted left , I was a member of Labour until 7 years ago .

Peope seem to have forgotten a middle term , not everyone that is against segregated sommunities is a xenophobe or racist . Sometimes we have just seem to much and we cannot support some costumes or traditions .
Nonetheless I can see why by some have turned to the right , it’s for lack of representation , I worked within some communities at a stage and I can see some of the issues immigration brings , it’s not immigration or the refugees that annoy me in any way , I’m an immigrant myself ( well technically not anymore but I will always be in my own view , I’ve lived in the uk for 25 years ) .
It’s the fact some communities do not integrate and impose their own costumes without flexibility.
And people can deny this all they wish but I find it very hard having 2 daughters myself when so many people fight for women’s rights while at the same time defend communities where women are treated badly and I means badly !
I once visited women who I was so scared for their wellbeing I had to call the police after for wellfare checks because of their own brother and father behaviour , simply because she was signing divorce documents . I had to do the same when I realised a young girl was forced into marriage .
I felt unsafe while visiting them and I was often threatened. Police won’t do anything , they cannot do much because if they do they are seen as xenophobic for interference in someone’s religion or culture . I had a police officer tell me some of them ( as in women ) could be killed or walled alive for all she knew because the moment they tried to investigate something they would have a handful of solicitors around them screaming it’s an attack on their culture .
So , while I would never vote right , I can absolutely see why some turn to them , and until we get a middle ground where we can still criticise what is wrong without being called racist , there will be more and more division . It is not black and white or left and right anymore . And people should be able to question openly what they feel is wrong without the constant stereotyping.

That’s a great question which in theory lots of people think has been a brilliant solution to lots of issues for many years. And one that I don’t know the answer to

Tell me you don’t know anything about public funding etc….

Stats don't back that up. People are more concerned about cost of living, the NHS, the cuts to WFA and so on.

Anyway, the silent majority - really? That's a phrase people use when they want to pretend everyone agrees with them. Impossible to disprove so we could apply it to anything. How about this? The silent majority thinks that Reform voters are thick racists. Argue with that!