To think this country’s gone to S***

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Second time now I’ve sat down to have drinks with a friend only to be met with “I don’t agree with Farage, but…”

Cue a rant about Muslims, immigrants, how the country is not what they remember in the good old days.

More and more people are starting to spout this drivel about immigrants. Yesterday it was literally ‘I’m not racist, I have asian family, but’ and then cue racist rant.

I feel like the country I love that used to be fair and tolerant has gone to shit.

Think you might need a few history lessons if that’s your attitude.

I was in a taxi for half an hour with an Asian driver who was ranting about immigrants all the way there. It was completely a one way rant. Coming here not working and at the same time taking our jobs and our women 😂 was exhausting. I just wanted to look at the countryside out of the window.
I just replied, well I don't know any immigrants they don't want to live here in rural Somerset so I can't comment.

What do you like about the current trafficking system we have?

I don't know what that poster meant but I imagine any of the following would fit today's definition of racist.

"Members of the Rape gangs were mostly of Pakistani heritage'

"Halal meat should never be the preferred options of national institutions like schools and hospitals."

" FGM should and must be stopped and people should be in gaol for it."

"There is no such thing as honour killing. It is murder"

" people should learn the language of the country they have settled in and access to any benefits should be stopped until they have complied."

" Foreign men, as demonstrated by official figures, are more likely to commit a sex crime than indigenous men."

"Shariah law should not be encouraged and if a community undermines national law by applying it, those responsible will be punished."

"There needs to be a debate about immigration."

There are just a few but generally, saying anything negative-especially if true-about anyone who is not white, is Romany or Eastern European is racist.

That's what we're told-see the posts on this thread.

Someone posted on my MP's Facebook page today that he should be an MP in Pakistan. He was born and raised in this city. There are plenty of people like that about and those people are racists in my view.

So the point I missed was actually in my post? Nice wee thinking.

I still hope you will reconsider your views about women in immigration.

Oh, was he too brown for your liking, to have an opinion that mass immigration is bad. Should have have known his place and stuck within this boundaries of what the luvvies want brown people to think? Should he not pull up ladder up? Should he show solidarity with his ‘own type’?

There is a word for this kind of bias.

We’re already full of racists, we don’t need any more.

You should try living on the Kent coast where large groups of male asylum seekers are hanging about in the streets, shouting comments & littering. It’s intimidating & causing huge issues. Some are trying to get into people’s houses, sheds etc. That’s why Kent voted Reform.

I don't see them much and get on much more with my brother who is kinder than his wife. We are in our 60s so what would be the point in falling out terminally with them life's too short. I was in their house not ours and they read the bloody Daily Mail a truly evil website and paper.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5114q18p3no

Skegness aren't happy, their economy is being wrecked, that's why they voted Reform quote;

For Gary, the strain it has put on Skegness is too much, particularly the presence of asylum seekers over the past couple of years.
"To have four or five hundred illegal immigrants - and that's the key word, they are illegal - wandering up and down in flip-flops and on their phones when they're supposed to have no money. It puts people off.

They dont have the population density! So comparing France to us is pointless, our urban areas are more densely populated, at the same time we dont have the land to expand. They ARE building infrastructure, we are not, when was the last state school built in London or Kent? When was the last brand new hospital built in areas where the population has astronomically increased? Just rows and rows of Human filing cabinets! And if you import thousands upon thousands of people who may have no real interest in the country and certainly not integrating, whats going to happen to these areas? I have work colleagues in Birmingham who have been attacked in the last 6 months for simply being in the “wrong part of Birmingham”, not isolated incidents and a sign of what happens when environments start to become segregated by ethnic groups. Even worse in a country where standard of living is dropping, public services are struggling and in coming months unemployment is going to sky rocket, all the while prison seems only an option for the most violent or online offensive as we have run out of space and most people are aware. So compare France to UK if you want, especially when the place eventually bursts in to widespread civil unrest splintered along ethnic lines. Good luck with that! France will also have the same problems, but lets stick to UK.

By applying for asylum as soon you arrive in the UK. That is the only way, whether you arrive by small boat or some other way.

My views are unchanged: there should be safe and legal routes so that women and men can safely claim asylum without undergoing a journey where they are at the mercy of dangerous, predatory, criminal people.

I certainly wouldn't have challenged them in their house.

I'm in my 60s too and wouldn't associate with people who expressed views like that, family or not. If I'd heard that I wouldn't speak to my sister in law again.

To some degree it is. If we spend money housing asylum seekers (we do) we have less money for other things

I think it's the effect of successive governments divisive approach to politics/maintaining control, displayed not just in their speech but in policies (like May's Hostile Environment Policy). It's given the general population 'permission' to spout offsenive views in public, which are then amplified in whatever echo chamber they get their 'news' from. The apparent lack of critical thinking skills generally doesn't help. Nor does the ease with which one can bully someone online into silence, rather than engaging in genuine debate. This then trickles into real life e.g. cancel culture and continued violence and threats of violence against women who dare to hold a different point of view from whatever man deems themselves "right" on a particular topic. Economics also plays a part - it's easier to manipulate a population when unemployment is high/salaries are stagnant and costs of living are rising. Madeline Albright writes extremely well on the conditions Hitler took advantage of in order to gain power, as well as the rise of fascism. That's where we are, and have been for several years.

To those people who say there should be safe and legal routes, do you think the boats would stop if there were safe and legal routes?

You do know that almost all who arrive in boats, lorries or overstay their visas and then claim asylum are economic migrants. Their families and neighbours, back home, crowd fund by selling assets to send them over on boats, lorries and student visas. Because they know that eventually they will be given asylum and then call their extended families over. Safe and legal routes means bigger number coming over. Those who don’t qualify for those schemes will still use these other methods.

You people are either really naive, or wilfully ignorant. You clearly have no experience of seeing how this works and basically regurgitate whatever the guardian tells you.

So bearing in mind that half the world wants to come to UK, how many do you envisage taking in (and supporting) and how will this be paid for?

But why did they post that? Recently there was an issue with a number of mps campaigning for an airport in mirpur in Pakistan while voting against uk airport expansion. Was that why?

It’s not racist to want the immigration crises stopped. There are many people who were immigrants themselves decades ago and not white who are also raising this issue as a major problem. We need to stop labelling it as racist and I would go as far as saying those encouraging it are actually racist because we are not really helping these people. They risk their lives to live in grotty conditions where they can’t work or live a proper life. We would be better spending the huge amount of money spent on helping them prosper in the countries they come from and where they would rather be.

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Here's the details of that story-
Over the last weekend 20 MPs demanded the Pakistani government builds a new airport in Mirpur because their constituents shouldn't have to put up with taking a long-haul flight to Islamobad, then travel three hours by car to get to Mirpur.

One of the MPs, Labour's Tahir Ali, has a constituency in Birmingham, a city where bins are currently not being collected. 41 per cent of children in Birmingham are living in relative poverty.
There is a pothole on a Midlands road that has been there longer than some people have locked up in the local prison !
So far, Tahir Ali's major contributions as an MP appear to be calling for blasphemy laws in Britain.

And, now, calling for a new airport in Pakistan. Mirpur is where many members of the Pakistani rape gangs reportedly came from. You know, the groups of men who have been raping and abusing predominantly working class white girls on an industrial scale right across Britain.

There is an argument to suggest we should build an airport in Mirpur, just so we can get a load of deportaton flights sent there( ! )

Eight of the MPs who demand a new airport in Pakistan, oppose a third runway at Heathrow.😮

I agree. Migration often strips the most economically useful people from developing countries and puts them in a place where their skills are less valuable. There’s also an issue with importing foreign conflicts. Ultimately the answer to half the world’s economic problems is not for their populations to move to the uk. That’s not sustainable. Things need to improve in Afghanistan for all women and that’s complex. We can’t just move the whole population to another country- that doesn’t solve the underlying issues

Yes, it was.

Is that ok? Is it racist to say that he should not have done this.

Can he be criticised for this in any way or is every way going to be interpretated as racist because he has brown skin? Is this his golden bullet proof vest?

Do you think he has a perfect right, as a British MP to be more concerned about the infrastructure of a foreign country than the one he is paid to represent?

What do you think would be the outcome if all British MPs decided to lobby for another country and ignored the needs of this one?

Would you be surprised if Keir Starmer decided to lobby for a new hospital in Utah, while ignoring the fact that one needed to be built in Chester? Would you be angry? Would you think he had a right to do this.

Would you be gobsmacked if Kemi Badenoch decided to demand that Parliament looked at the need for a new motorway in Japan, while ignoring the state of the British roads? Would you be angry. Would you think she had a right to do this?

My opinion is that if any MP is more concerned with a foreign country's infrastructure then yes, they should relocate and deal with it in that country or stand down.

Is that wrong? Is that racist? Why?