To think this country’s gone to S***

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Second time now I’ve sat down to have drinks with a friend only to be met with “I don’t agree with Farage, but…”

Cue a rant about Muslims, immigrants, how the country is not what they remember in the good old days.

More and more people are starting to spout this drivel about immigrants. Yesterday it was literally ‘I’m not racist, I have asian family, but’ and then cue racist rant.

I feel like the country I love that used to be fair and tolerant has gone to shit.

@namechangenelly1 hows this for starters?

I think that, if the Left was congruent with its proclaimed, it would not allow for such dangerous, competitive race to happen in the first place.

It would not allow to make asylum dependent on the fact that you have to travel, which clearly discriminates against women, elderly people and children.

And finding it fine and dandy for the man to go first and bring his family, can you see how deeply sexist and patriarchical it is? Let's keep treating women as the properties of the men, as in making marriage a condition to survival, lovely stuff.

I explained in more details in another post, but I think asylum should be managed at a global level, and people should be allowed to apply for asylum from where they are, rather than waiting to see who wins the race.

We can all do a bit of wee thinking ...

nonsense

@namechangenelly1

One in eight prisoners in England and wales are a foreign national which means a lot of non desirables are entering the country not to mention tax payers money which is used to keep them in prison.

I agree
I don't think people have changed their opinions. I fear they simply feel free now to voice what they've aways thought but kept hidden.

If we get better at dealing with borders the reaction to terrorism, potential and otherwise, would drop anyway, eg the trial you linked.

Safer and more cost effective all round.

The government doesn’t force these hotel owners to take asylum seekers. They offer them a rate lower than the usual room rate for a particular period. The hotels prefer this because they know they’ll have full occupancy and their overheads will be lower (no need for staff that usually work the bar or provide room service, or marketing). It is a choice which makes them more money.

If the hotel has “suddenly gone back to normal” it is because the contract has ended. Though I don’t know why the background of a hotel’s guests has any impact on your life.

I think by now most people have immigrant friends or associates, and have no issues with them at all.
However the continued levels of immigration is unsustainable and everyone can see that. People can now also see that cheap foreign labour suppresses wages for everyone.

It is going the same way as numerous other countries being corrupted by nefarious foreign authoritarian actors. Same shit, different flag.

And finding it fine and dandy for the man to go first and bring his family, can you see how deeply sexist and patriarchical it is? Let's keep treating women as the properties of the men, as in making marriage a condition to survival, lovely stuff

Oh. I think you have spectacularly missed the point about why, in the case of asylum seekers, it might happen this way around.

It’s not racist to be concerned about uncontrolled immigration, I work in the nhs I know how we rely on workers from other countries but they have come to specifically work here and be a part of our society.

Those sneaking in, we don’t know their backgrounds, who are these men, why do they want to be here! Is it safe for our communities, often people feel not, there’s many reports of gangs of immigrants causing issues where they are housed.

Any migrants need to have background checks, look at that poor girl who was killed on a canal path years ago by a man who had convictions in his own country, look at Rotherham or Blackpool, some cultures have views that are not compatible with the British way of life and pose a threat to women and girls.

I think reform voters have also been influenced by what is happening in Scotland, it’s not racist to want your country governed by someone from that country. People are scared of what the future would hold if this continues and the results reflect that.

It’s much worse here than 30 years ago

why are people feeling this way in the first place. It doesn’t come out of no where. People are seeing it with their own eyes

perhaps we liked the way it used to be in the UK better. Perhaps this level of immigration isn’t working g or sustainable

Are you actually going to enlighten us on what they said that was racist?

Mass immigration has been bad for this country. It’s bad for integration and it’s also making the country poorer as GDP per capita is reducing - fact.

You can call people racist all you want, it does not change the fact that uncontrolled mass immigration is bad.

Quite. There are many many many ways in which the UK could change the balance in asylum seekers to allow for more women and children. It could accept accept applications from women and children in the gazillion refugee countries around the world and bring them into the country in a managed way - fulfilling the UKs refugee obligations as compared to other countries.

refugee camps

Being anti immigration isn’t racist per se, although, if you are against all immigration, it is quite a stupid view.

However, being concerned about the rate of immigration, the skill level of immigration and the desire of some immigrants to assimilate is neither racist nor stupid.

Certain sections of society want to close down rational debate with accusations of racism or say that views which were entirely majority mainstream have now (unaccountably) become far right.

Other than a geographical area, what makes a nation a nation? For me it is a shared set of beliefs, culture and history. The U.K. has been a successful democracy for centuries, and has a proud tradition and history. This has nothing to do with race and wave after wave of earlier immigrants have become proudly British (including my family).

Too many of the ‘left wing’ are actually very wealthy London-based people who prefer to be citizens of the world where the shared values are expensive hotel chains, famous private schools and designer goods. The rest of the country has no ability (or desire) to have these as shared values.

If you rubbish our history and culture, then what have you left but economic success, which tends to cycle up and down in decades long cycles? And we are in a down cycle at the moment.

Even Keir Starmer has a Union Jack in his office now. He has begun to realise that patriotism is not racism and is actually an essential in every successful country.

Yes it has.
I feel the tabloids are always targeting Muslims, and whenever an ethnic minority individual commits a crime the race is always heavily promoted but when a white person commits a similar crime it is at as penalsied.

What about the priests that commit crimes against children? How come nobody is mad about? How come EDL don’t mention that?

Im not Muslim but I do think it’s very unfair how they are all painted with the same brush.

Go on, educate me, what have I spectacularly missed in the 2 points I brought to your consideration? Don't move the goalposts, don't whatabout, this is what I said:

Travelling half the world illegally to open an asylum claim is dangerous, favouring young men at the expense of women, children and seniors, and could be prevented.

Considering it a valid solution for women to emigrate as wives/relatives of a man later on, is deeply sexist.

Tbh the hotels that I work in that house immigrants, are just that. Hotels. With staff making meals, replacing carpets that have been shit on, and painting walls that have been graffitied. Oh and TVs that have been smashed up. As I woman I wasn’t even allowed on one of the floors in one of these hotels in Scotland. A perfectly nice hotel, an upgrade from Premier Inn type.

Travelling half the world illegally to open an asylum claim is dangerous, favouring young men

Is my point exactly. If there were safe routes for asylum seekers, things would look very different. But there aren't.

YABU. think it’s great we’re allowed to have different opinions, and voice them, and reflect on them. Democracy rules.

Spot on. Their xenophobic views have been legitimised as they see it.

So how do I legally claim asylum in the UK?