Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

Thank you for your message. Please do have a read (it’s within their ‘Families and Children Contract’), I genuinely read all literature from all parties and engage very politely on the door. I am certainly not racist/aggressive. I am just really disappointed with the other parties - Labour were even keen to entirely remove our married tax allowance which the Conservatives at least still allow. Reform would drastically increase this.

So much of it is unnecessary immigration as well..yes we need skilled workers and in health and care sector.

How many deliveroo riders and Turkish barbers do we need? People coming in on skilled worker visas to work in kebab takeaways

How long before the "valid choice of SAHMs" becomes a society where women are pressured to a point where they don't actually have choices? Setting one subset of women over another is a typical patriotic card to play around the extremely emotive and important subject of future generations..... because "tomorrow belongs to me" and all that.

If you really want to get into Reforms attitude to women, perhaps look into the allegiance Farage is cultivating with pro-life groups in the US for financial benefit, and the potential "conversation" around lowering the Abortion limits. People are very confident that the Abortion Act is safe, but if Reform get in, it might not be.

Just one potential can of worms that people are ignoring.

Strictly speaking he went after his political opponents first, locked them up in work camps so there was no-one to oppose him. Just like Putin does now!

They haven't taken winter fuel payments off pensioners at all they've taken it off high earning pensioners! My neighbour who spends October-May in her second home in Spain is complaining that she didn't get the fuel payment so might only be able to have 2 cruises this year not 3!
The Tories took winter fuel payments off low earners and disabled people 4 years ago no one batted an eyelid!

Sorry, but it's shameful to call somebody thick. I have no issue with multiculturalism, I do have an issue with intolerance of other people's opinions and heritage.

Well exactly how many deliverro riders do we need? I think people would get upset if they all vanished
and as a whole immigrants pay more taxes than. Those born here so we need their cash

I also wonder, now the U.K. is gone downhill, whether all these carers and medics actually invest in the U.K. I would guess many ship their savings back to wherever for a comfortable retirement so we could be draining money that way too.

DFOD what you have posted makes no sense and you're calling me out. Read my post properly. The whole sentence would have to be restructured.

Nope, wrong again. If you're going to dish it out, please be prepared to take back criticism.

Nah, fuck that. I’ve spent countless hours trying to have genuine conversations with people on the right, about migration, net zero, public services, etc. And every time, it's clear they’re not interested in facts or reality. Their views are built on emotion and propaganda. You can explain a million times that the reason they can’t get a GP appointment or afford a house isn’t solely because of migrants, but because of the very people they keep voting for. People who’ve deliberately underfunded services, opposed fairer taxation, and pushed policies that benefit the few, not the many.

And yet, somehow, it’s the left who are expected to be understanding and to "hear them out"? While they openly dismiss everything we care about as “woke nonsense" and insult and stereotype anyone who disagrees with them? It’s ironic. They absolutely rage when they’re stereotyped, but have no problem doing the same to the groups they hate.

At some point, you just have to let them FAFO. I’m lucky enough to be in a position where, if Reform ever gets into power, I can leave. But I’ll be watching from a distance as workers’ rights are rolled back, the NHS crumbles, and the state pension vanishes. It doesn't have to be this way, but some people are determined to learn the hard way I think.

Well yes that's true, but I was talking about once he was in power. He was seeing what the people would believe and what he could get away with doing.
Farage is doing the same - going for the weakest in society!
Also he doesn't want to stop immigrants or illegal immigrants he's openly said that he'd still allow Australian's, American's and Canadians to live in the country regardless of their criminal status. Basically he only wants people that look like us!

No one is taking nothing away from you. If you do feel like that the answer can not be to vote for the far right.

You need to own your "if"

The only choice the main parties support at the moment is have a baby then get back to work ASAP. I am tired of it, as are many, many others I know. Enough.

Governments previously showed far more respect for SAHPs both in their comments and policies, as did the media.

I hear, I read, I listen - I want change.

Yes, snapping up private rentals, doing zero about stopping the crossings, providing hotel accommodation, providing benefits...

To fund this huge bill they are targeting the disabled, the pensioners, private schools...
And folk wonder why people look to reform.

Farage is clever, he knows what to say to get the votes. Whether he acts on it or not, he's getting votes.

You clearly have the choice to stay at home because toy are doing it. Why should the tax payer fund that choice? You are not working so not contributing to the exchequer. Childcare is needed for those that cannot afford to live off one income and do have to go out and work and pay taxes that can come back at them in the form of affordable childcare. It is no mystery why governments fund childcare, they want and need both parents out working to support the economy.

and would actually do more to support families like ours
What support do you need that you are not getting?

I didn't vote as Labour said we are being re-organised so couldn't have local elections but your response is a typical sneering one. Who said I was attracted to immigration policies ?

Which of Labours policies attract you ?
Not allowing national inquries into r@pe gangs ?
or WFA ?
or taxing farmers ?
or MPs attacking constituents
or MPs charged with horrendous images
or MPs suggesting "knifey" things ?
or jailing people for years for hurty words but letting prisoners out early to make room ?
or needing a judge to spell out biological facts ?
or allowing thousands of undocumented people into the country, each week.

Didn’t you just post that people were thick

Do you genuinely believe they have only taken it off “high earning” pensioners? My dad has an income of £13k with no savings and he doesn’t get the winter fuel allowance any more.

Behind Farage, there are a lot of rich billionaires and others who eye up the breakup of Western democracies with undisguised glee, as they will pick over the bones of our economies with a vulture's appetite. It's what comes after these people, when they don't deliver, that really scares me. Farage et al. are just opening the door; we are not yet through it.

This whole thread illustrates exactly why Reform are winning, and why they are likely to at least form part of a coalition government at the next election, people just aren’t listening to the experience of the average person.

1. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment-,in high population areas it is causing issues in schools, on the streets/parks, the decline in local traditions, availability of facilitues
2. People feel the British way of life is threatened - it doesn’t matter if this is a real or perceived threat - it’s how people feel
3. People are struggling to see their dentist, doctor etc at the same time they’re being told 10s of thousands are arriving on our shores. It’s not difficult to draw a connection.

When people raise concerns they’re shut down, threatened. But I think it is so important these people are listened to. The result of the mainstream political parties not listening is the rise of Reform. Everyone who makes shouts of racist, calling people stupid for expressing their lived experience, undermine achievement in the polls by shouting cheat, telling people their voice is useless and not being heard are the main cause behind the rise of Reform.

Oh please. No government "respects" any section of the electorate - they identify economic and political advantage and manipulate accordingly.

Exactly and the winter fuel allowance was only ever supposed to be a temporary allowance. My parents lost their WFA and are fine with it. They said "Why do we need this money? It's just the two of us, our mortgage was paid off decades ago. Our outgoings are low. The money should go to younger people with families, mortgages etc.".

You proved my point