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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think this is cruel and genuinely unfathomable?

448 replies

StormCloud52 · 01/05/2025 23:16

An acquaintance of mine has a three year old child. My acquaintance is Chinese but has lived in Britain for a long time.

Today, she shared a story that her DD had had her last playtime with her little friends for a while. When people have asked why, she’s said that her DD is going to China for a year to learn the language. I assumed acquaintance was also going, but no. It is then filled with people commenting that she’ll miss DD but it’s a wonderful, selfless gift acquaintance is giving her daughter. Acquaintance agrees she’ll miss DD.

Her most recent post is them at the airport. AIBU to thinking this is barking mad? It had made me feel so sad for the little girl. Surely she’ll be confused and distressed? AIBU?

OP posts:
ShanghaiDiva · 02/05/2025 15:48

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 15:39

You don't need to know a culture inside out to know that it's absurd and cruel. Do you agree with every other practice across the world in cultures you are not a part of?

Inside out is not the same as having some knowledge. By your own admission you have none and yet call other posts absurd.
I have lived in five countries, and while I may not agree with some of the cultural practices in other countries I am not do ignorant to call other people’s comments absurd.

LemonTreeGrove · 02/05/2025 15:51

Jetsettermum · 02/05/2025 13:59

what a stupid thing to say.

honour killings are also part of some cultures. Does that mean we can’t judge them?

OP of course it’s awful. This happened to my mum for the same reasons at the same age and it affected her greatly.

a child of that age needs their mum

Agreed.
I guess the people saying "iT'S cULtuRal!" think that the solution for your mum would be to tell her it's cultural. I'm sure that'll reverse any effects it had on her.

Digdongdoo · 02/05/2025 16:03

LemonTreeGrove · 02/05/2025 15:51

Agreed.
I guess the people saying "iT'S cULtuRal!" think that the solution for your mum would be to tell her it's cultural. I'm sure that'll reverse any effects it had on her.

You're assuming that the alternative wouldn't have affected her equally as much. There's no shortage of adults impacted by lack of connection to their wider family and heritage. Just as there is no shortage of adults impacted by overwhelmed, unsupported mothers, poverty etc that may have been at play.
Very black and white thinking.

outerspacepotato · 02/05/2025 16:11

LemonTreeGrove · 02/05/2025 15:51

Agreed.
I guess the people saying "iT'S cULtuRal!" think that the solution for your mum would be to tell her it's cultural. I'm sure that'll reverse any effects it had on her.

As opposed to being alienated from one's own culture and language and living in a culture where one is othered is sooo much better.

Trickabrick · 02/05/2025 16:22

Presumably she’s going to be with extended family? And are you as horrified at the father as you appear to be with the mother?

It’s not a decision I would make but it’s not unheard of in some cultures to do this.

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 16:25

I've just googled " psychological damage to a 3 year old child being away from their mother" ....I will stand by my opinion, which I am entitled to.

LittleBitofBread · 02/05/2025 16:29

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 15:39

You don't need to know a culture inside out to know that it's absurd and cruel. Do you agree with every other practice across the world in cultures you are not a part of?

We're not talking about every other practice across the world, are we? Hmm

LittleBitofBread · 02/05/2025 16:30

Skirtless · 02/05/2025 15:44

Sigh. Kipling and his sister are just examples of how middle class British norms have changed. Had their parents kept them in India, they would have been generally considered irresponsible.

But again, part of the reason this was within the Overton window of total normality was that another norm that’s changed totally since is middle-class children seeing very little of the parents with whom they lived. Kipling again (just as I’ve been reading his autobiography) says that he and his sister spent all their time in Bombay with their Portuguese ayah and their Indian manservant, who would remind them to speak English to their parents when they were summoned to see them at teatime. Their primary bonds were far more likely to be with servants. That is ‘wrong’ to us, but the Raj parents who sent their children away were acting with the best intentions and on the best advice, just as much as someone today worrying about formula or BLW.

I'm really not seeing what this has to do with what the thread's about.

Digdongdoo · 02/05/2025 16:31

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 16:25

I've just googled " psychological damage to a 3 year old child being away from their mother" ....I will stand by my opinion, which I am entitled to.

Such thorough and balanced research. What an informed opinion it must be...

ShanghaiDiva · 02/05/2025 16:36

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 16:25

I've just googled " psychological damage to a 3 year old child being away from their mother" ....I will stand by my opinion, which I am entitled to.

You could also google the benefits of cultural immersion- how that influences a child’s development, boosts a child’s confidence, enables them to become comfortable with differences in race and religion…
go on extend your google search, just a click away!
edited for typo

ShanghaiDiva · 02/05/2025 16:38

Digdongdoo · 02/05/2025 15:44

If you admittedly don't know much about it, how can you possibly know it is "absurd and cruel"?

Because she has googled! 🤣

LeviOceanStar · 02/05/2025 16:42

Skirtless · 02/05/2025 15:44

Sigh. Kipling and his sister are just examples of how middle class British norms have changed. Had their parents kept them in India, they would have been generally considered irresponsible.

But again, part of the reason this was within the Overton window of total normality was that another norm that’s changed totally since is middle-class children seeing very little of the parents with whom they lived. Kipling again (just as I’ve been reading his autobiography) says that he and his sister spent all their time in Bombay with their Portuguese ayah and their Indian manservant, who would remind them to speak English to their parents when they were summoned to see them at teatime. Their primary bonds were far more likely to be with servants. That is ‘wrong’ to us, but the Raj parents who sent their children away were acting with the best intentions and on the best advice, just as much as someone today worrying about formula or BLW.

I wonder if high infant mortality meant that wealthy parents (the only ones with the option to do so) kept an emotional distance from their children as a self protective mechanism.

I think your comment is useful and interesting btw

Cherrysoup · 02/05/2025 16:46

LeviOceanStar · 01/05/2025 23:27

Well until relatively recently it was part of upper class English culture to send very young children to boarding prep schools. Doesn't mean it was a good idea.

Still is, a colleague interviewed yesterday for a boarding school.

Family friends sent their children to the UK from France for the entire summer holidays more than once to improve their English.

IButtleSir · 02/05/2025 16:51

ShanghaiDiva · 02/05/2025 12:29

You are not correct re children boarding in China. Children who live in rural areas often have to travel a distance to get to school and will therefore live at the school. It’s not unusual at all.

I stand corrected.

LeviOceanStar · 02/05/2025 16:58

Cherrysoup · 02/05/2025 16:46

Still is, a colleague interviewed yesterday for a boarding school.

Family friends sent their children to the UK from France for the entire summer holidays more than once to improve their English.

I think numbers have reduced. Now a lot of boarders are overseas students. Which is worse actually because if they are from the far east they can't go home for every holiday so they have to stay with a guardian who is often paid to care for them rather than being a relative.

I am sure the parents of these international boarders love their children very much. Effectively they are spending a huge amount of money to get the best possible education for their children but I don't think they fully appreciate the emotional impact. I don't think we should allow international child visas for children of primary age to board. The older the child the more likely it is to be a positive experience.

IButtleSir · 02/05/2025 16:59

LittleBitofBread · 02/05/2025 12:51

It's not about a child being fundamentally different per se. It's about a whole different family and care-giving structure, which a lot of people with experience have come on here to share their experience and knowledge of.

Humans are animals. "Culture" cannot change that fact.

Whatever skin colour a three year old human has, they have the same need not to be removed (for an entire YEAR) from the people who have raised them for their entire lives. That's true of three year olds from every race, country, culture, religion AND time period throughout human history.

Cherrysoup · 02/05/2025 17:01

LeviOceanStar · 02/05/2025 16:58

I think numbers have reduced. Now a lot of boarders are overseas students. Which is worse actually because if they are from the far east they can't go home for every holiday so they have to stay with a guardian who is often paid to care for them rather than being a relative.

I am sure the parents of these international boarders love their children very much. Effectively they are spending a huge amount of money to get the best possible education for their children but I don't think they fully appreciate the emotional impact. I don't think we should allow international child visas for children of primary age to board. The older the child the more likely it is to be a positive experience.

My colleague admittedly is older, 60+, went through the system himself, sent his dds to boarding schools, but it’s seemingly quite common here still near London. When I’m looking at job adverts, I seem to see a lot of boarding schools, UK and internationally.

LittleBitofBread · 02/05/2025 17:06

IButtleSir · 02/05/2025 16:59

Humans are animals. "Culture" cannot change that fact.

Whatever skin colour a three year old human has, they have the same need not to be removed (for an entire YEAR) from the people who have raised them for their entire lives. That's true of three year olds from every race, country, culture, religion AND time period throughout human history.

I will accept this when I've seen a good number of good-quality studies demonstrating that being raised in a non-nuclear family way is detrimental and there are no up sides to it.

LeviOceanStar · 02/05/2025 17:10

Cherrysoup · 02/05/2025 17:01

My colleague admittedly is older, 60+, went through the system himself, sent his dds to boarding schools, but it’s seemingly quite common here still near London. When I’m looking at job adverts, I seem to see a lot of boarding schools, UK and internationally.

I think a lot depends on the age and how often students come home. Lots are flexi boarders now and come back at weekends. Secondary age students who like the school and come back home for lots of long holidays. It's probably going to be fine.

zingally · 02/05/2025 17:18

Utterly bizarre, but I have heard of it happening before, especially around Chinese/Japanese/Korean cultures.
I presume the child is going to live with the grandparents? That's actually quite common in China. A lot of children, especially those from more rural communities, live most of the time with grandparents, while parents go off and work in urban areas, where the pay and prospects are better.
Perhaps that's what OPs friend did as a small child, and she remembers it fondly?
I agree though, 3 is teeny tiny to be shipped to an unfamiliar country without her parents. Poor thing.

Digdongdoo · 02/05/2025 17:19

IButtleSir · 02/05/2025 16:59

Humans are animals. "Culture" cannot change that fact.

Whatever skin colour a three year old human has, they have the same need not to be removed (for an entire YEAR) from the people who have raised them for their entire lives. That's true of three year olds from every race, country, culture, religion AND time period throughout human history.

More than a little naive to think that it's mother is the only thing a 3 year old might need.

emmatherhino · 02/05/2025 17:25

It's not something I could or would do.

But, I try not to judge. They obviously think it's the best thing for their child, and I think it's not uncommon in Chinese culture. I know of a family friends son whose child was also sent to China for an extended period to learn the language and experience their culture. I don't know how long they went for but it was more than a few months

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 18:20

Digdongdoo · 02/05/2025 16:31

Such thorough and balanced research. What an informed opinion it must be...

Yawn

LillyPJ · 02/05/2025 18:20

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 14:04

None, and that's not relevant.

On the contrary - it's absolutely relevant. It might be interesting and illuminating to learn about how other cultures view families and relationships. We aren't in a position to think our way is the right way.

MummytoE · 02/05/2025 18:25

LittleBitofBread · 02/05/2025 16:29

We're not talking about every other practice across the world, are we? Hmm

The pp had implied I wasn't entitled to an opinion on a practice of a culture I know little about. I was simply wondering if they had ever had opinions about other cultural practices. Not that hard to figure out.