Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

I’m ideologically opposed to censorship. I believe people can and should vote with their feet if they choose.
If their comments resulted in, for example, a mass shedding of their core fan base and ticket sales plummeted and gigs were cancelled that way then that’s fair enough.

Maybe I have read 1984 a few too many times.

To be fair it probably is pretty cosy under that hat.

Im usually very opposed to cancel culture myself but I draw the line at the promotion of terror/ violence or racism.

Nothing cosy about an ( usually anonymous) man in a balaclava .

Fair enough. As I said upthread, the debate between free speech and censorship is an interesting one and I’m not totally sure where I draw the line. I draw it in a different place to you. And that’s ok.

You know you can be concerned about multiples areas of life? 350,000 children in Palestine are in danger of famine, of death, right now. That does not make all of the problems in Ireland disappear, I have been on protests involving women's right to access abortions, housing, maternity services, right to single sex marriages, adequate funding for early education ( creches) in addition to protests about Palestine.

Your post smacks of Whataboutism.

A 'stripey hat', what the balaclava much like the ones fashionable during 'the troubles'.

The minimising of what this group are and what they stand for is absolutely batshit.

This “dark humour” excuse won’t wash .

Comedians like Kielty deal with the topic in intelligent ways using irony and dark humour etc to express the absurdity and cruelty of a situation.
Kneecap is making allusions to terrorists in order to make themselves seem edgy and cool. It’s not intelligent or ironic . It’s pathetic.

'350,000 children in Palestine are in danger of famine, of death, right now.'

And yet every hamas terrorist you see are very healthy looking, many overweight. They should let their people get the supplies shouldn't they.

Surely you are either anonymous or not? You can't be a bit anonymous or usually anonymous... His name is JJ Ó Dochartaigh.

If you can get RTE you will also be able to check them out doing a reality show in which they do a 5 day Arctic trek with a former special forces soldier. He doesn't seem to wear the balaclava for that although they are wearing some pretty heavy coats and headgear.

'David Amess repeatedly voted against gay marriage and supported a total abortion ban, as well as being very pro-Brexit, so it's not the case that everyone thought he was 'lovely'.(For the avoidance of doubt I don't think this justified what happened)'

You don't think this justified what happened. No,of course it didnt! Why list his views at all?! People can have differing views and still be lovely people.

I was referring to the fact that men in balaclavas are usually anonymous and wear the balaclava to intimidate.
You seem to find this all very amusing and trivial.

Perhaps you have forgotten that the balaclava wearing person is in a band that calls for the killing of MPs … and shouts “Up Hamas”
Maybe you find that amusing too ?

'He doesn't seem to wear the balaclava for that although they are wearing some pretty heavy coats and headgear.'

What's that got to do wirh anything?

You suggested a man is a stripey hat isn't threatening. He is a man in a balaclava. He's cosplaying a terrorist. We all know it despite their embarrassing denials and backtracking.

Bloody Hell!!
I missed this …What a truly vile comment.
Im sure we all have family members who have views we don’t agree with…. Completely irrelevant point to make . The poor man was MURDERED.
And yes - he was greatly loved by his family and constituents.

I'm not aware of any terrorists wearing tricolour balaclavas.
Why do you believe they depicted the IRA in a negative light in their film? (Which also includes the origin story for the balaclava).

'I'm not aware of any terrorists wearing tricolour balaclavas'

You said men in hats aren't threatening then went off on a tangent about an arctc trek and what they wore then.

You do understand men in balaclavas are threatening don't you?

For me it would depend on the situation...
On a skiing holiday - no.
At a kneecap concert - no.
On a soldier kicking your door down in the middle of the night - yes.
At an improvised paramilitary checkpoint - depends if you actually recognise the person under the mask and he was a couple of years below you in school and did the solo at the Christmas carol service.

Yes and this situation is a trio of goady arseholes who have demonstrated their support of terrorism. We aren't talking about skiers.
Did soldiers wear balaclavas? Think you're getting your outfits mixed up.

Exactly.

@Traybake99
Soldiers didnt typically wear balaclavas.
Parmilitary Style Checkpoints -Yes
Holding a family while they took their car or lay in wait for a neighbour they’d targetted - Yes
Bank or business robberies - Yes
Intimidation/Extortion -Yes
I could go on but you get the picture, or you should.
So balaclava’s intimidatory for a host of reasons and triggering to many.

British soldiers? Yes they often wore balaclavas when on operations in Northern Ireland. For example the MRF, handpicked from the British Army, would wear them when out shooting unarmed civilians. There were a lot of British soldiers operating in NI who wouldn't want to be recognised given what they were involved in.

Yes I get the picture, all of those situations would be pretty unpleasant. I'm not sure whether the face covering adds anything to the situation. Personally I would prefer not to give a man with a gun reason to shoot me because I had seen his face.

My point being unless DJ Provai is doing any of those things you describe I wouldn't find him intimidating because I know he is a middle aged former school teacher / current musician.

I didn't find slipknot intimidating but if they turned up in the middle of the night waving guns I would probably need a change of underwear.

Goady? Yes, perhaps.
Threatening? No

Exactly. Yes, obviously the balaclava is a tongue in cheek reference to the IRA. But that a man in a tricolour balaclava is obviously terrifying is a weird take.

'Yes, obviously the balaclava is a tongue in cheek reference to the IRA. But that a man in a tricolour balaclava is obviously terrifying is a weird take'

Tongue in cheek! Those daft youngsters with their wacky tongue in cheekiness.

A man in a balaclava is threatening.

It’s not just the balaclava

It’s the name Kneecap , the calls for killing MPs, the “Up Hamas” chants, the name Provai ( a nod to Provisional IRA) .
Obviously this particular idiot in his IRA costume isn’t threatening. But the band are definitely making it clear that they admire the signs and symbols of terrorism.