To shriek from the rooftops that there is No Such Thing as “preferred pronouns”?

[Ddakji]

That’s it.

They don’t exist - any more than preferred adjectives, adverbs or nouns exist.

Even people who don’t like them still seem to think they exist.

Language is a shared, collective endeavour that belongs to all. It’s not a pick’n’mix for individuals to choose and change at will. For words not to be garbage they have clear definitions - in this case she for females, he for males, they (singular) for sex unknown.

Saying my preferred pronouns are she/her, even if that doesn’t fly in the face of reality, is no different to saying my preferred species is human, my preferred adjectives are sporty and lush.

It’s nonsense. Nothing to do with being kind or they don’t affect me, or I don’t mind if others do but I won’t. It’s nonsense.

Let’s make 2025 the year we kick this nonsense into touch.

Fine for you. I personally don’t feel anyone needs my “support” to live a lie.
You do you.

‘How can you misuse a preference?’
You don’t misuse a preference, you misuse a pronoun. Obviously.

Ooo, someone who thinks all people are deviants (probably because they themselves are deviant and measure others by their standards).

You do realise that trans men use the other toilets as well?

Why hate on something that really doesn’t affect you?

Stop hiding behind language and “truth” and stop being a bigot.

How someone chooses to define themself does not affect you. It doesn’t stop you from living your life. It doesn’t make you any less safe (I can confidently say you will have shared a public bathroom with a trans person on multiple occasions and not known, you have probably also been served by a trans person and it had absolutely no effect on you. A trans person may have made your lunch, built your car or taught your children and still had no effect on your day to day life because they use different pronouns).

Has someone berated you for using the wrong pronouns? No? Didn’t think so. Would you feel embarrassed if you accidentally called someone by the wrong pronouns if they weren’t trans? So why does someone telling you their pronouns and avoiding embarrassment upset you? Probably because you are a bigot.

How many more ways can someone tell you to keep your nose out of other peoples business that doesn’t effect you?

Let. It. Go…

That’s a bit of an embarrassing tantrum, @Atina321
It’s really rattled your cage, eh?

Yes, quite. Heaven forfend we might rely on the actual, you know, truth to support our opinion.

Explain that to me.

Well I hope you feel better after your little tantrum.

Calling me names doesn't change anything. Men can't become women and I'm not going to pretend they can. Women who identify as trans are of course welcome in women's spaces, where they belong.

This the law as clarified by the recent FWS case. So I'm not sure what you think calling me names for my lawful position is going to achieve.

It isn’t truth though. Just a bigoted rant from people who have no empathy.

No, because you’re being totally disingenuous. You know how pronouns can be misused

It was once illegal to be gay.
it was once illegal for a woman to own property.
‘It’s the law’ doesn’t mean it’s not morally reprehensible to intentionally want to hurt a person who has done nothing to you or anyone else.

If a person is hurt by reference to their sex, they need therapy. Not everyone else to lie to them about their reality.

Many, many people. Possibly intentionally. Just so they can cause offence and then call people “woke”.

Yes it has, because I will call
out hate. I will stand up for what is right. The hate speech here is heinous.

Mumsnet should actually be shutting down this thread as it is inciting hate.

If a trans woman knows themself to be 100% a woman, then why do they need other people to reinforce and confirm what they already know?

If no one ever referred to me as a woman ever again it wouldn't change my 100% certainty that I am still a woman. Indeed, if everyone only ever referred to me as he/him for the rest of my life, it wouldn't change my absolute certainty that I always was and always will be a woman.

It is absolutely true that you cannot change biological sex. Ever.

What 'hate' are you talking about?

Being a woman is about biology. There is no other way to be a woman.

Absolutely.

Being gay doesn’t involve telling lies and expecting others to endorse those lies.
ditto a woman having a mortgage.

Telling lies and expecting, demanding that others endorse those lies hurts everyone involved.

Can you quote the “hate”, please?
I’m happy to report it if you don’t feel able to?
MNHQ will delete it, no problem.

Exactly my sexuality, like everyone elses, is mine.
I don't need anyone to validate me in it.
Gender is dysphoria and an expectation that a lie is validated. It serves no one to perpetuate the lie.

YABU. Of course they exist otherwise what are you referring to?

Yup. Also what they said about gay people. And women who stepped outside their place.

It’s not a lie to say you feel like you are meant to be a man when you have a female body and vice versa. You don’t get to decide someone else’s truth about their body.

They aren’t asking anyone to validate their position. They are asking them to be respectful of the way you refer to them the same as you do everyone else. The same as a gay person who wants to get married isn't asking for validation, they are asking for the same rights as everyone else.