To be really worried about Reform?

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Just that really. They’re predicted to gain the most from the upcoming elections, if this carries on could we see a reform government at the next general elections? Or is it press scaremongering as usual?

'truly toxic' why are you using Self Help language to describe a political viewpoint you hold. It doesn't even mean anything, it is just emotive language used by the extreme right to recruit new disciples to their angry cause! Why don't you put your energy into solving substantial issues that impact the people you suggest have been marginalised, like jobs, like the economy, hell, even pot holes, this populist party politics does nothing to help any of the people you are claiming to care about, it just encourages a feverish hatefulness that in the end turns on itself, you only have to look at the U.S to see how that is working out!

Are the gullible more likely to vote? And the better educated, more “sensible” less likely to! Not sure voting statistics necessarily fully back that up.

turnout in the relatively limited number of areas in England where there are elections tomorrow will be maybe 35% at best. The last GE was only 60%. If people want to stop Reform just get out and actually vote - tactically if need be - if there is an election in your area tomorrow.

Those fall into the gullible bracket.

We've had 14 years of Tory austerity where public services where decimated and there was virtually no investment in infrastructure to cope with an increasing and aging population.

The fact that, after just six months of Labour, people are suddenly “sick of being lied to by the main parties” to the extent that they’re considering voting for a party made up of rejected Tories, elitists, and grifters, rather than a credible third party with coherent policies or an independent candidate, shows just how easily influenced those people are.

If they want to see change in politics then they need to actually engage with it. Attend meetings and surgeries, form or join pressure groups, campaign, stand for election, and yes, voting for someone different can also work, if the candidate is good. But voting for a party whose policies are so unbelievably badly thought out as to be worse than useless isn't going to bring about positive change.

Are you complaining about the toolmaker's son again?

As an aside, I see that Starmer has enjoyed two foreign holidays since Christmas.

Tbf anyone with a mandate to make broader changes is going to have more success than a party that sells in something like smash the gangs etc

Labour know they have a problem hence the almost weekly headline push on something along the lines of the Balkans but no mandate or policy will do what is wanted.

If a party want to be seen as a success then look to Aus and get that mandate via a GE.

After that it’s usually the case no politician will run on going back to high numbers, people will won’t vote for it.

A lot of people will protest vote even if they believe the new party will also lie or not be perfect.

It's a way of signalling this is the biggest issue to me, this is where I think the main parties are letting me down.

So why not vote Independent? Why vote for Reform?

Yes, there's definitely a vibe of 'may as well give Reform a go' amongst people I know. Starmer has been a huge disappointment and nobody wants the tories back.

The truth is I worry that despite a near 💯 literacy rate, the population of the UK are not as well educated as they should be and they will vote yet again, for the wrong policies at the detriment of us all

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Do you think, as has been suggested on here in the past, that voters should have to take a test to check if they were well educated enough to vote?

'Give Reform a go', at least you know what kind of people they are.

Because it sends a stronger collective message to Labour.

Do you know that he enjoyed them? One was taken just after the sudden death of his brother.

Do you think the PM should not take holidays?
Someone better mention that to Farage if that is the case.

How?

Be more Reform?

Yes I do know 'what kind of people they are.' All thoroughly decent and sick of Starmer and co.

They (much the same people) voted for Brexit and for Boris. They don't feel it's an unknown quantity, they vote for whomever says more or less what they want to hear.

So ready to vote for right wing policies.

Or don't they care about Reform's policies?

There is totally a class element to it, but the bit to look at is not the "working class" but the "Islington class" (and no, they don't all live in Islington, save yourself the next whataboutery).

The progressive left is mostly middle/upper middle class, white, university-educated, liberal professions, etc. they can have all the genders they want and dye their hair blue, it's a rich person's folly.

People also vote against someone or a party because they feel lied to. The impact of which Labour is suffering from rn

You an only vote for the candidate that stands in your area for a start. And who says the independent candidate is standing on an issue you care about? They might be standing on AntiAbortion or some niche local planning issue or Women's Rights. That would just be an anyold vote against a safe seat.

I won't be voting reform, but I assume the people that do it as a protest care most about immigration and want the government to know that immigration is where they are being failed.

Some will be voting as they actually want reform to form the next government.

Would the Tory voters who are turning to Reform have voted Labour?

That is happening already. It probably won’t work as they want but they are trying.

The Tories haven't earned it, Labour have put the brakes on an economy that was turning a corner, they don't deserve it, I don't blame people for trying them. I think they're bonkers on the right, but I see Labour bonkers on the left, that just seems more socially acceptable, not sure why TBH.

Ready to vote for whoever is best placed to get rid of this government. At the moment, that's Reform.

So you would be happy with a Reform government?

Compared to Labour, why not! They are screwing the economy, Reform are not fit to govern, but neither is Starmer's bunch.