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Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 08:33

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Labour’s benefit cuts will cost UK economy billions, charity says

Trussell report finds that higher levels of poverty mean Britain is losing out on £38bn a year of potential output

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

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BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:58

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WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 19:00

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Yes usually something about PIP needing to be scrapped and replaced with another benefit, but never says what.

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 19:02

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Bah! These people need to qualify what they are saying. It’s not acceptable to make such assertions with sod all attempt at justification.

Tangerinenets · 29/04/2025 19:15

Miley23 · 29/04/2025 09:34

Yes I agree. I also read somewhere that apparently people over state pension age who are in receipt of PIP aren't going to be affected so these will no doubt carry on spending the benefit money they receive on cleaners, gardeners etc Obviously from next November we will start to see a lot not awarded PIP. The worry also will be if those get the LCWRA of UC taken away too. You can't take potentially 1k in benefits per month away from large numbers of people and not expect it to affect the economy - this will be massive. However I do think changes need to be made to PIP asap. The real problem is that it has been allowed to spiral so much out of control in the first place.

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My disabled son gets LCWRA . It’s £809 per month. He then pays social care £726 a month to pay towards his care package. If he doesn’t get it then he can’t be asked to pay it to social care so god knows what then happens to the social care budget!

Theunamedcat · 29/04/2025 19:21

Viviennemary · 29/04/2025 08:55

I disagree. Benefits need to be cut. Absolutely ridiculous the amounts some folk are raking in.

Yes the pesky politicians are raking it in

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 19:26

Tangerinenets · 29/04/2025 19:15

My disabled son gets LCWRA . It’s £809 per month. He then pays social care £726 a month to pay towards his care package. If he doesn’t get it then he can’t be asked to pay it to social care so god knows what then happens to the social care budget!

So the 809 is his whole UC award? What does he eat? Or is he living at home?

Labour have no idea what they’ve got themselves into, here, do they? The whole rickety edifice will come down.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

RatalieTatalie · 29/04/2025 19:49

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

No? What’s the relevance?

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 19:49

outlanderish · 29/04/2025 08:35

In hindsight, surely it will do the opposite and encourage the people who do not work but are physically able to work, to work? No?

But they are targeting the disabled ? Not those who are out of work but who are refusing to ?

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 19:49

No, what she ate is important because....?@kindersurprising

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 19:55

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

ME/CFS is NOT caused by drinking coke and eating pot noodles. Anymore than cerebral palsy is. Or being deaf.

I'm sure eating those things didn't help her condition (I say this as someone who has had years of ME/CFS and my diet hasn't always been good) but someone without ME/CFS who lives in that junk will feel crap, but they won't get the symptoms of ME. Tiredness is not the same thing . I knew people at uni who ate that sort of diet, maybe with the occasional pizza or kebab thrown in. Not one of them felt or presented like someone like me with ME. They experienced low mood or tiredness . It's like comparing a cold to cancer.

ByBoldOP · 29/04/2025 20:00

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 15:38

What kind of support would’ve changed the outcome?

Well this is going to be individual dependant. But for us it would have been teacher that didn't scare her half to death at 5 years old. It would have been a school that didn't punish her for stimming. It would have been the right intervention at the right time so she had a chance of learning the knowledge she needed to keep up with peers. Rather than miss the grounding knowledge and sit in class no understanding anything.
It would have been the LA providing the legal required tutor when she was too ill to attend school for a year. It would have been the school providing support when she returned after the illness and not just blame everything on attendance when there was know LD and even if it was just the illness that wasn't her fault and support should have been provided.

Maybe this would have prevented a breakdown and health relapse or negated the worse parts.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:15

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

Yes, I do remember that. She said that's all she had the energy for. Then she got hounded to within an inch of her life about why she didn't eat X, Y, or Z.

Person suffering from chronic fatigue eating easy to prepare food shock? Quelle surprise.

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:25

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

You think millions of people, including people who have proven they have a disability, are all lazy scroungers?

You couldn't manage to get a quarter the stuff I manage to get done in a day if we swapped tomorrow. Bollocks could you miss 2 out of 3 meals a day and carry on like I do, in constant endless pain. You'd be in tears already if you'd experienced what I have just today. You can't even tell there's anything wrong with me from looking at me, that's how stoic I am. I feel like someone has beaten me up, I'm shaky, I'm dizzy, and I'm still going. Bollocks am I lazy.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:15

Yes, I do remember that. She said that's all she had the energy for. Then she got hounded to within an inch of her life about why she didn't eat X, Y, or Z.

Person suffering from chronic fatigue eating easy to prepare food shock? Quelle surprise.

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:28

ByBoldOP · 29/04/2025 20:00

Well this is going to be individual dependant. But for us it would have been teacher that didn't scare her half to death at 5 years old. It would have been a school that didn't punish her for stimming. It would have been the right intervention at the right time so she had a chance of learning the knowledge she needed to keep up with peers. Rather than miss the grounding knowledge and sit in class no understanding anything.
It would have been the LA providing the legal required tutor when she was too ill to attend school for a year. It would have been the school providing support when she returned after the illness and not just blame everything on attendance when there was know LD and even if it was just the illness that wasn't her fault and support should have been provided.

Maybe this would have prevented a breakdown and health relapse or negated the worse parts.

She sounds very unwell to the extent that all those things may not even have worked. I see many cases like this - parents convinced if X or Y support had been in place things would be fine now, but it seems unlikely. Ultimately there’s always more support that can be provided, but there has to be a reasonable line drawn somewhere.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:28

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

Yes, and the thread derailed into nonsense about how coke cans and tuna cans are similar. It was totally irrelevant.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:29

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

Have you got chronic fatigue? You know it's like permanently having the flu right?

You are no expert on managing someone else's condition.

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/04/2025 20:29

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

You realise that pre prepared salad pots and sandwiches have a short shelf life and require you to either order very frequently from a supermarket or go to one frequently - costly and difficult for someone on a low income with little energy.

If I had the energy to be that organised, oh the things I would achieve. Sadly, with a fluctuating chronic condition and never knowing what I'll be able to do when I get up a morning, it just isn't that easy. Priorities change rapidly.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:29

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 19:55

ME/CFS is NOT caused by drinking coke and eating pot noodles. Anymore than cerebral palsy is. Or being deaf.

I'm sure eating those things didn't help her condition (I say this as someone who has had years of ME/CFS and my diet hasn't always been good) but someone without ME/CFS who lives in that junk will feel crap, but they won't get the symptoms of ME. Tiredness is not the same thing . I knew people at uni who ate that sort of diet, maybe with the occasional pizza or kebab thrown in. Not one of them felt or presented like someone like me with ME. They experienced low mood or tiredness . It's like comparing a cold to cancer.

Plenty of posters with ME showed up to point out that eating healthily is a key part of managing their condition. It is mine - I couldn’t cope at all eating that rubbish all day, even though eating healthily won’t cure me it definitely helps.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:30

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/04/2025 20:29

You realise that pre prepared salad pots and sandwiches have a short shelf life and require you to either order very frequently from a supermarket or go to one frequently - costly and difficult for someone on a low income with little energy.

If I had the energy to be that organised, oh the things I would achieve. Sadly, with a fluctuating chronic condition and never knowing what I'll be able to do when I get up a morning, it just isn't that easy. Priorities change rapidly.

She passed the shop on her daily drive.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:32

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

about 40% of those people are in work and get UC top ups and/or their rent paid.
Getting into work does not mean you will no longer be on benefits.

There are also almost twice as many jobseekers - people actively looking for work, than there are job vacancies.

Cutting benefits wont make people work. It will just make them hungry, get into debt, homeless, and have a huge impact on their mental health.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:33

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:30

She passed the shop on her daily drive.

The daily drive that she said made her so exhausted that she had to go back to bed afterwards to recover.

When you live with chronic fatigue 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then come back and tell us how you're getting on. I'm sure these things seem easy to you. Things that seem easy to you, things you do every day without even thinking about it, are a huge battle for a disabled person.

A sandwich is not going to cure her.

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