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Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 08:33

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Labour’s benefit cuts will cost UK economy billions, charity says

Trussell report finds that higher levels of poverty mean Britain is losing out on £38bn a year of potential output

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

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Thronglet · 29/04/2025 17:28

Widowerwouldyou · 29/04/2025 16:53

What a ridiculous dramatic reaction (tho’why would anyone think a trip to Cost o would be a ‘nice outing’ ….????)

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I'm happy for you that you don't understand what it's like to survive on almost nothing for years and then see a warehouse full of huge piles of food you could never afford. But it made me feel awful. That's what constant, long lasting hunger does to you. It was very distressing.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 17:29

PlutoCat · 29/04/2025 17:24

For goodness sake Hyteffsxg stop hounding Thronglet about what you think she should be eating. She says she has lived with this issue for a long time, so I doubt the suggestions are novel to her.

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This always happens on threads like this. Someone says they have a disability, and then get people making suggestions, or asking have they tried xyz. All unsolicited, and not always in good faith.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 17:30

PlutoCat · 29/04/2025 17:24

For goodness sake Hyteffsxg stop hounding Thronglet about what you think she should be eating. She says she has lived with this issue for a long time, so I doubt the suggestions are novel to her.

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If there was a way I could eat enough, I'd already be doing it. Things are too expensive and I have too little money.

Presumably if I'd said I lived on sandwiches and fruit, someone would be asking me why I wasting my money on that.

caringcarer · 29/04/2025 17:38

RR is not competent to handle the economy. In 2025 we are down 1.4 billion pounds due to her increasing tax on Non Dom's who many have simply chose to move to a more tax friendly country. She is so stupid she seems to think she brings in a new policy to increase taxes but doesn't contemplate Non Dom's will react to avoid her increased taxes. She was warned this would happen but insisted it would bring in more money. These VAT on independent schools, RR was warned it would cause more expense for councils having to pay taxis for DC with SN to travel miles tomsttendvspecial schools but she chose to ignore this information. Now councils are forced to pay in case of my foster DC £42.5k per annum just in taxis. I've heard of another DC who has to travel further with their taxi costing LA £78k per annum. She cut WFA for pensioners but now more is paid out than she gained in PC as many more claims. Now she thinks she knows best again with cutting disability benefits. She'll never learn to listen to advice.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 17:42

Widowerwouldyou · 29/04/2025 16:53

What a ridiculous dramatic reaction (tho’why would anyone think a trip to Cost o would be a ‘nice outing’ ….????)

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Wow. You’re a real empathy depot, aren’t you?

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 17:52

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 17:42

Wow. You’re a real empathy depot, aren’t you?

Genius, I'm stealing that.

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LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 17:54

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 17:30

If there was a way I could eat enough, I'd already be doing it. Things are too expensive and I have too little money.

Presumably if I'd said I lived on sandwiches and fruit, someone would be asking me why I wasting my money on that.

Honestly, don't feel bad about reaching out for help, you should not have to go hungry like that.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 17:56

Funny how nobody wants to address the way councils are being fleeced by landlords and companies contracted to provide "services" isn't it?

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Thronglet · 29/04/2025 18:03

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 17:54

Honestly, don't feel bad about reaching out for help, you should not have to go hungry like that.

There isn't any help. I've already tried looking for it. No food bank close to me delivers.

The few times I've been well enough to go there, I can't carry what they give me so I have to leave a lot. They really don't give you very much at all in there anyway. It's three days worth of very random ingredients and I definitely can't get to a food bank every few days. You need to supplement what they give you with other ingredients, which will all be random because you'll get different bits every time. Then it needs very inventive cooking to make meals out of. I'm making all of my meals with the equivalent of hands that have just been beaten and put into thick gloves - so even though I know how to cook, the smallest thing like boiling water and pouring it is very challenging and painful. Not to mention risky because I've got no grip. I've badly burnt myself before.

DeborahVance · 29/04/2025 18:06

TheCountessofLocksley · 29/04/2025 13:56

You won’t like this answer, but you can’t. Making the application criteria more stringent, cutting benefits or strengthening the sanctions regime only impacts the vulnerable.

More work needs to be done on the hidden economy (activities/jobs hidden from HMRC) and harsher punishments for employers who collude to defraud the state. Get more money coming - something the government set to be actively avoiding, instead targeting some of the most vulnerable because that’s a quick and easy win.

Much more investment is needed in supporting people into work, both for the individual and employers. I believe employers can (and should be required to) do more.

I completely agree with this.

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 18:09

Sorry to hear of your troubles@Thronglet. I am just wondering if Adult services in your LA could help you in any way.* *It might be worth a try.

MyNameIsX · 29/04/2025 18:23

caringcarer · 29/04/2025 17:38

RR is not competent to handle the economy. In 2025 we are down 1.4 billion pounds due to her increasing tax on Non Dom's who many have simply chose to move to a more tax friendly country. She is so stupid she seems to think she brings in a new policy to increase taxes but doesn't contemplate Non Dom's will react to avoid her increased taxes. She was warned this would happen but insisted it would bring in more money. These VAT on independent schools, RR was warned it would cause more expense for councils having to pay taxis for DC with SN to travel miles tomsttendvspecial schools but she chose to ignore this information. Now councils are forced to pay in case of my foster DC £42.5k per annum just in taxis. I've heard of another DC who has to travel further with their taxi costing LA £78k per annum. She cut WFA for pensioners but now more is paid out than she gained in PC as many more claims. Now she thinks she knows best again with cutting disability benefits. She'll never learn to listen to advice.

I can attest, some of what you say, is accurate.

Happy to expand.

mumda · 29/04/2025 18:24

Flytrap01 · 29/04/2025 09:53

but where are all these job roles and companys going to come from ?

Are you suggesting there's too many people for the number of jobs?

RaininSummer · 29/04/2025 18:32

SereneSquid · 29/04/2025 12:37

I have read the article. It talks about how Universal Credit makes it hard for people to get into work and makes people homeless. This is true, especially rates for single childfree people. Affording housing, fares to the job centre and interviews, and suitable interview clothes is very challenging for many single people without family to bankroll them.

Just in case people are not aware, the job centre will buy interview clothing, shoes, work start clothing and fund travel to interviews and at least one month of travel to work for those job seeking.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:34

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 14:30

Sigh, people have explained the myriad of aids, that they may need according to their disability, read some of the threads on disabilities. Having higher food bills, due to aversion to some textures, etc. Having to use the washing machine more than would be usual due to rituals to do with having OCD etc, which may include having to have multiple showers a day which means higher water bills. Not being able to use public transport, due to having Autism etc, resulting in having to rely on expensive cabs. Go, and read up on it, you may even find yourself being educated!

None of those things you mention are either “aides” or “specialist equipment”.

I have asd myself as does one of my dds. Obviously we know a lot of people who also do from support groups etc. I don’t know a single one who needs “equipment”.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:36

RaininSummer · 29/04/2025 18:32

Just in case people are not aware, the job centre will buy interview clothing, shoes, work start clothing and fund travel to interviews and at least one month of travel to work for those job seeking.

Also there are lots of charities that provide free clothing for interviews, etc.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:38

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 17:56

Funny how nobody wants to address the way councils are being fleeced by landlords and companies contracted to provide "services" isn't it?

Because they aren’t. Councils have an obligation to get the best deal when procuring services (including housing). If they’re not (which they often aren’t) that’s on them.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:46

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:34

None of those things you mention are either “aides” or “specialist equipment”.

I have asd myself as does one of my dds. Obviously we know a lot of people who also do from support groups etc. I don’t know a single one who needs “equipment”.

What, nobody? No coloured prescription lenses? No adaptive pens or cutlery? No specialist software for self- organisation?

I know the bigger ticket items tend to be associated with physical disability, but the above are all very popular with the younger people I know who are ND.

maybeuptight · 29/04/2025 18:47

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 29/04/2025 09:56

People keep saying that the burden will fall on Social Services.

It won't.

Social services can't even remotely fill the current need.

It means more women giving up work and being dependent on men, or more neglect.

Why can't people see this? Given the number of neglected children already, a few of whom actually die and many more who are damaged for life?

Legally, it's the local authority who has a duty of care towards adults with disabilities in the UK.

Unpaid carers currently save the government nearly 2 billion in care costs annually. They don't have to do it. They can down tools at any time, and step aside, leaving the local government to step in and meet the person's needs.

So if these unpaid carers suddenly can't afford to continue in their caring role (because their loved one lost PIP and they no longer get carer's allowance) then it's going to cost the local authority lots of money. Councils will be bankrupt, but then they still have to provide essential services including social care.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 18:48

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 18:09

Sorry to hear of your troubles@Thronglet. I am just wondering if Adult services in your LA could help you in any way.* *It might be worth a try.

That's kind of the point of this thread, isn't it? If they were to help me, rather than me having enough money to place a supermarket order, which I'm perfectly capable of doing if I could afford it, the government would then be paying for social workers to look after me when it would be significantly cheaper for me to have enough to buy food to eat.

It's much cheaper for the economy if people can take care of themselves as much as possible.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:51

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:46

What, nobody? No coloured prescription lenses? No adaptive pens or cutlery? No specialist software for self- organisation?

I know the bigger ticket items tend to be associated with physical disability, but the above are all very popular with the younger people I know who are ND.

Oh and there was a positive mania for dehydrators (I think that’s what I mean) a year or so ago to make fruit and vegetables crispy for sensory-limited eaters. There are lots of costs to autism for some people, not everyone.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:53

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:46

What, nobody? No coloured prescription lenses? No adaptive pens or cutlery? No specialist software for self- organisation?

I know the bigger ticket items tend to be associated with physical disability, but the above are all very popular with the younger people I know who are ND.

No, none. Tbf one child I know did try coloured glasses but didn’t find them helpful. I don’t need extra money (and i don’t claim pip) for either me or my dd despite our disabilities. Most disabled people don’t imo.

Pickledpoppetpickle · 29/04/2025 18:56

Viviennemary · 29/04/2025 09:56

It is rather unrealistic to expect tax payers to keep bankrolling shirkers on more and more generous benefits. Thd whole system needs to be overhauled. Does any other country have this system of people working the fewest hours or not working at all getting more money than full time working people. I doubt it.

People with disabilities are shirkers? Working people claiming benefits are shirkers?

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 18:57

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:34

None of those things you mention are either “aides” or “specialist equipment”.

I have asd myself as does one of my dds. Obviously we know a lot of people who also do from support groups etc. I don’t know a single one who needs “equipment”.

Whatever you wish to call it, the fact remains that their cost is higher due to their disabilities, hth.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:57

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:53

No, none. Tbf one child I know did try coloured glasses but didn’t find them helpful. I don’t need extra money (and i don’t claim pip) for either me or my dd despite our disabilities. Most disabled people don’t imo.

That’s not my experience. Although I do know a disproportionate number of home educated autists, which is probably a regional variation, and probably fuelled parental expenditure on things that help educationally. I’m very surprised to hear anyone with an autism network anywhere say no equipment at all, though.

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