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Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 08:33

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Labour’s benefit cuts will cost UK economy billions, charity says

Trussell report finds that higher levels of poverty mean Britain is losing out on £38bn a year of potential output

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

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Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:33

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:32

about 40% of those people are in work and get UC top ups and/or their rent paid.
Getting into work does not mean you will no longer be on benefits.

There are also almost twice as many jobseekers - people actively looking for work, than there are job vacancies.

Cutting benefits wont make people work. It will just make them hungry, get into debt, homeless, and have a huge impact on their mental health.

So how do we raise an extra 5 billion a year, year upon year, to continue to fund the rise? And please don’t put ‘tax the rich’ or some other thought terminating cliche, but something evidence and costed.

MereNoelle · 29/04/2025 20:34

outlanderish · 29/04/2025 08:35

In hindsight, surely it will do the opposite and encourage the people who do not work but are physically able to work, to work? No?

Well, no. That’s exactly what the article is about. Did you read it?

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:34

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:30

She passed the shop on her daily drive.

So what?
Her thread was about her PIP being cut. But like I said in a previous comment, anyone on here mentions they are disabled they get a barrage of questions and unsolicited advice.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:34

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:33

The daily drive that she said made her so exhausted that she had to go back to bed afterwards to recover.

When you live with chronic fatigue 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then come back and tell us how you're getting on. I'm sure these things seem easy to you. Things that seem easy to you, things you do every day without even thinking about it, are a huge battle for a disabled person.

A sandwich is not going to cure her.

A sandwich won’t cure me, but with a not-dissimilar condition if I lived off pot noodles and coke all day I would also feel exhausted and horrific.

Like I said plenty of people with CF showed up and emphasised how important diet is.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:35

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:33

So how do we raise an extra 5 billion a year, year upon year, to continue to fund the rise? And please don’t put ‘tax the rich’ or some other thought terminating cliche, but something evidence and costed.

I am not an economist or politician, so I do not have the answers. Why would I?

But I don't think cutting the money of the most vulnerable is the answer.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 20:36

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

That requires leaving the house. That takes MORE energy. Prepared sandwiches and salads are also outside the budget of many.

Do you really need this explained? Surely anyone can understand that if you have severe CFS getting to the shop to buy a sandwich could be just as difficult as making one?

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 20:39

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

The word pisstake is a metaphor?? No it isn’t. The calibre of waffle is through the floor today.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:41

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:34

A sandwich won’t cure me, but with a not-dissimilar condition if I lived off pot noodles and coke all day I would also feel exhausted and horrific.

Like I said plenty of people with CF showed up and emphasised how important diet is.

You might feel a bit tired. You would still not have chronic fatigue and you would still not understand the choices that people have to make.

Again, you are no expert in how others with conditions you don't have manage their lives. When every tiny little thing drains the life out of you - brushing teeth, combing hair, getting dressed, putting on shoes, washing up, hoovering, making the bed, going up and down stairs, making a cup of tea, hanging up laundry, literally EVERYTHING - then come back and tell us about how you've continued to live your life as if you were healthy. You won't ever be doing that though because you'd get a hard and powerful lesson about what it's like to be ill every single day of your life.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 20:36

That requires leaving the house. That takes MORE energy. Prepared sandwiches and salads are also outside the budget of many.

Do you really need this explained? Surely anyone can understand that if you have severe CFS getting to the shop to buy a sandwich could be just as difficult as making one?

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:50

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

She evidently wasn't.

If you actually believe you know better how people with disabilities should live their lives than they do, then that's plain hubris.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:52

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

Why does it matter? Why are you wanting to pick apart this lady's life?
How sad that she had this on her own thread, and you are trying to continue it on this one. Just leave it.

Todaywasbetter · 29/04/2025 21:14

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 17:56

Funny how nobody wants to address the way councils are being fleeced by landlords and companies contracted to provide "services" isn't it?

How did you get that so wrong? Councils offer landlords roughly 60% of local rent. Yes its fleecing in reverse.
I blame Thatcher

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 21:16

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:29

Plenty of posters with ME showed up to point out that eating healthily is a key part of managing their condition. It is mine - I couldn’t cope at all eating that rubbish all day, even though eating healthily won’t cure me it definitely helps.

Same here and yes I'm one of those posters . I was struck down by it at an early age (One of those childhood cases you hear about on the news occasionally) . I am saying that just because this lady eats badly doesn't mean she is not ill.

Maybe if she improved her diet she would be healthier and able to work more but equally it might not make a difference. I am just saying we can not say someone is faking a condition because they eat badly. I

You can have a serious illness and be awful at self care. I wasn't taught self care as a child at all. Chaotic family background . Low self worth. sexual abuse.

I 'm just saying we can't be sure . It's not just virtuous people that get disabilities . People who are bad with food and bad at taking care of themselves do too.

RatalieTatalie · 29/04/2025 21:16

Are you for real?

A woman with a diagnosed condition isn’t eating to your liking? What’s the relevance? You think she’d be cured if she was force fed a salad every day?

I couldn’t afford to live off of pre prepared salads. Pot noodles are currently 69p in Sainsbury’s - I know because I bought one for lunch today…I also get UC as a top up to my full time wage. Shoot me.

what you think someone should eat, has literally no bearing on the amount of benefits paid out. There is not a “pot noodle” component to PIP.

RatalieTatalie · 29/04/2025 21:18

Todaywasbetter · 29/04/2025 21:14

How did you get that so wrong? Councils offer landlords roughly 60% of local rent. Yes its fleecing in reverse.
I blame Thatcher

In LHA, yes. But in terms of temporary accommodation which is often insanely priced paid in full through housing benefit, landlords throughout the country are absolutely raking it in from Councils

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 21:20

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

Doesn't mean she can work full time. I went on an hour long bus ride the other day with my mobility aids. Then the same journey back a few hours later. I couldn't do a full working week. I have tried.

2 hours in a car is not a full working week. If she lived in the US, or another large country an hour long to work would be considered a short commute.

ByBoldOP · 29/04/2025 21:23

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:28

She sounds very unwell to the extent that all those things may not even have worked. I see many cases like this - parents convinced if X or Y support had been in place things would be fine now, but it seems unlikely. Ultimately there’s always more support that can be provided, but there has to be a reasonable line drawn somewhere.

Well she had no support so we were literally left to sink. The worse part is her needs being denied . Being told she can swim when she weighed down by rocks.

So yes she still may have been struggling as an adult. the idea that nothing would have helped so let's do nothing is barbaric. She had a right to an appropriate education she could access

Tangerinenets · 30/04/2025 00:22

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 19:26

So the 809 is his whole UC award? What does he eat? Or is he living at home?

Labour have no idea what they’ve got themselves into, here, do they? The whole rickety edifice will come down.

Yes that’s what he gets. He lives in a residential placement so his food/housing etc is covered. He gets to keep the mobility part of his PIP but that has to pay for his clothes, toiletries, travel, leisure activities etc. He’s at his happiest if he’s out daily so we buy his clothes and toiletries and pay for anything extra like he needed a new iPad last month.

Widowerwouldyou · 30/04/2025 08:36

Pickledpoppetpickle · 29/04/2025 18:56

People with disabilities are shirkers? Working people claiming benefits are shirkers?

Regarding other countries - France has better benefits that allow people to eg work half a month and the employer pays half salary -rest made up by the state -I know people there who benefit from the type of arrangement that gives people the opportunity/dignity to work as much as they are able, but support them to do that.
Yes the requirements are more stringent -you don’t get handed free money because you are ‘separated’ from your partner living in the same house, but those with illness who want to work are given support to do so.
Different cultural attitude here, where people don’t want to work if free money is handed out and expect the same standard of living as those who do work to the best of their capacity.

Widowerwouldyou · 30/04/2025 08:43

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:29

Plenty of posters with ME showed up to point out that eating healthily is a key part of managing their condition. It is mine - I couldn’t cope at all eating that rubbish all day, even though eating healthily won’t cure me it definitely helps.

Liads of more nutritious stuff can be done in the microwave like the ubiquitous frozen or fresh baked potato and cheese/ etc And safer to use a microwave than to boil water for noodles and less dexterity needed than to unscrew a coke bottle (or especially to open a coke can, if you’ve tried recently)

RatalieTatalie · 30/04/2025 08:54

Widowerwouldyou · 30/04/2025 08:43

Liads of more nutritious stuff can be done in the microwave like the ubiquitous frozen or fresh baked potato and cheese/ etc And safer to use a microwave than to boil water for noodles and less dexterity needed than to unscrew a coke bottle (or especially to open a coke can, if you’ve tried recently)

So? What’s the thought process here? People are deliberately feeding themselves poorly in order to become/stay disabled so they can claim benefits?

MistressoftheDarkSide · 30/04/2025 08:55

Widowerwouldyou · 30/04/2025 08:43

Liads of more nutritious stuff can be done in the microwave like the ubiquitous frozen or fresh baked potato and cheese/ etc And safer to use a microwave than to boil water for noodles and less dexterity needed than to unscrew a coke bottle (or especially to open a coke can, if you’ve tried recently)

Haven't you got puppies to kick or something?

🙄

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RatalieTatalie · 30/04/2025 08:58

Widowerwouldyou · 30/04/2025 08:43

Liads of more nutritious stuff can be done in the microwave like the ubiquitous frozen or fresh baked potato and cheese/ etc And safer to use a microwave than to boil water for noodles and less dexterity needed than to unscrew a coke bottle (or especially to open a coke can, if you’ve tried recently)

What’s the thought process here? People are deliberately feeding themselves poorly in order to become/stay disabled so they can claim benefits?

MyKingdomForACat · 30/04/2025 09:51

Pickledpoppetpickle · 29/04/2025 18:56

People with disabilities are shirkers? Working people claiming benefits are shirkers?

It’s the same old thing; let’s pick on the least fortunate in society. I tell you how hard it is to get PIP: I know of someone with MS who didn’t qualify. What about those that are working 40 hours a week and still their wages don’t cover housing costs and basic needs. Private rents are ridiculously high. We need to support those in genuine need.

However, what needs looking at is fit young people who choose not to bother to work for whatever reason (laziness), made up illnesses (I can think of a few) and stop choosing benefits as a lifestyle choice. Not that it’s much of a lifestyle I’d guess. Nothing to do. Nothing to look forward to. No example to set to their own children. The cycle just goes on. They are the ones draining society

Widowerwouldyou · 30/04/2025 09:56

RatalieTatalie · 30/04/2025 08:58

What’s the thought process here? People are deliberately feeding themselves poorly in order to become/stay disabled so they can claim benefits?

People can help themselves but don’t even try, because the benefits system encourages a dependency and helplessness culture.