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You are given the power to make three things illegal. What would you choose?

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SpringSunshineanddaffodils · 27/04/2025 08:40

I know people will post silly things that irritate them but think seriously. What three things would you make completely illegal right now?
Here's mine:

  1. The right to buy your council house
  2. Owning more than one property.
  3. Not keeping your cat contained in your own home. With hefty fines if it is caught killing any wildlife.
OP posts:
Tandora · 16/05/2025 18:11

comeandhaveteawithme · 16/05/2025 17:43

Yes, but as I said, I believe that it is the owner's responsibility to provide a stimulating enough environment within the confines of their own property.

You could argue that dogs also have a natural instinct to explore, they certainly love new environments, to sniff, chase, play, check out new things. (In fact, you could argue the same for a lot of domesticated animals that it's normal to keep confined, rabbits, guinea pigs, parrots, budgies, lizards, hamsters, fish etc) But dogs' right to roam was ended long ago, for the safety of dogs and people. Dog owners now need to walk their dogs under supervision and provide all their entertainment and care.

It's high time, in my opinion, that this was made the same for cats and that owners were made to take full responsibility. They cause a lot of damage, they're a menace to the natural balance of an evolved ecosystem, and they're not safe out there.

It's simply cultural norms that make people take such objection to it, and an unwillingness to face the fact that the current societal norm just isn't responsible. Same reason people don't recycle or cut down their use of single use plastic even though they know they should.

Cats are not remotely the same as dogs in all kinds of ways.

it’s not possible to provide a stimulating enough environment for most cats indoors, that’s the point.

cats are not a danger to people- so that’s irrelevant as a point:
as for keeping cats themselves safe? - Im sure you would be safer if shut indoors all your life. Hardly of much moral relevance is it?

I object to your opinion as it is draconian and cruel to animals. Nothing to do with “culture”,

Hallywally · 16/05/2025 21:01

People who drive overly large cars & can’t park or manoeuvre in them or drive them like milk floats.

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/05/2025 09:57

cornflakecrunchie · 16/05/2025 18:04

Sigh. It seems you're determined to bore everyone to tears.
Can you not sign up for something to take your mind off these devil cats?

Hmmm... but you're the one who's bored? and the one who's continuing to read things that bore you?
I think you're the one that needs something to occupy your mind.

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/05/2025 10:01

Tandora · 16/05/2025 18:11

Cats are not remotely the same as dogs in all kinds of ways.

it’s not possible to provide a stimulating enough environment for most cats indoors, that’s the point.

cats are not a danger to people- so that’s irrelevant as a point:
as for keeping cats themselves safe? - Im sure you would be safer if shut indoors all your life. Hardly of much moral relevance is it?

I object to your opinion as it is draconian and cruel to animals. Nothing to do with “culture”,

Edited

But letting cats out is cruel to animals. I saw a cat casually strolling down the street with a dead sparrow in it's mouth the other day. It's nesting season. It's babies will probably starve to death now.
Completely unnecessary. That cat didn't need it for food, it's not part of the natural ecosystem. They are destroying nature for no reason other than their owners think it's cruel to stop them from having fun doing it.
Why do you only care about the welfare of your animal?

neverbeenskiing · 17/05/2025 10:55

Any form of physical punishment of children. This is already the case in several countries but we're behind the times in England.

Smoking or vaping inside a home where there are children present

Social media for children under 16

OonaStubbs · 17/05/2025 10:58

I would ban all takeaways/fast food/home delivery food and ready-to-eat food in supermarkets etc. To combat the obesity epidemic.

YellowOrangePink · 17/05/2025 10:59

Jackrussellsaremad · 27/04/2025 08:42

Too many things are illegal these days. I think more currently illegal things should be made legal.

Like what...?

OonaStubbs · 17/05/2025 11:14

IMO too many things are legal nowadays that should not be.

I would legalise cannabis but illegalise a lot of other things. Including alcohol and dogs.

Tandora · 17/05/2025 11:43

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/05/2025 10:01

But letting cats out is cruel to animals. I saw a cat casually strolling down the street with a dead sparrow in it's mouth the other day. It's nesting season. It's babies will probably starve to death now.
Completely unnecessary. That cat didn't need it for food, it's not part of the natural ecosystem. They are destroying nature for no reason other than their owners think it's cruel to stop them from having fun doing it.
Why do you only care about the welfare of your animal?

My cat has never killed a bird or any other animal.
And when it comes to “destroying nature for no reason” I think as a human you are speaking from a position of the utmost hypocrisy tbh 😂. If I can’t have my cat, maybe we should strip you of your phone, your car , the right to travel by air , need I go on? Maybe we should lock all humans inside , after all they do a hella lot more damage to the “natural” ecosystem than my cat, and why should they be allowed out just to “have some fun”.

Tandora · 17/05/2025 11:45

This thread is terrifying

Figmentofmyimagination · 17/05/2025 13:56

I wouldn’t go for an outright ban but I would use taxation. Mirroring the approach to independent school fees, I would very significantly increase the cost of air travel so that the passenger pays the true cost of their flight to the environment, as well as to the destination cities. We’ve seen, with the arguments in favour of taxing independent school fees, that people are comfortable with an outcome whereby only the very wealthy can access the good or service they used to enjoy.

People who can no longer afford to fly to their chosen overseas destination can always opt to holiday in the UK (which anyway is getting hotter) and the tax revenue can be invested in more sustainable forms of transport like trains and cycle lane infrastructure, or into improving uk tourist destinations so they can properly manage and benefit from the influx of new tourists.

I’d do the same for cruises, for all the same reasons.

Badbadbunny · 17/05/2025 14:10

OonaStubbs · 17/05/2025 10:58

I would ban all takeaways/fast food/home delivery food and ready-to-eat food in supermarkets etc. To combat the obesity epidemic.

No need for a ban of takeaways, just need to tax them more to make them more expensive. 20% VAT on takeaways etc isn't enough to combat the health/social costs they cause. Also make a "NIL" VAT threshold for all takeaways so the smaller ones (and tax evading ones) can't avoid VAT registration and can't avoid charging VAT on your kebabs, fish & chips, burgers, etc. The costs need to be significantly higher to discourage people from buying it, and for those who can afford it, then at least lets get a lot more tax revenue to go towards the costs of obesity and the costs of clearing up the litter etc.

Badbadbunny · 17/05/2025 14:13

Figmentofmyimagination · 17/05/2025 13:56

I wouldn’t go for an outright ban but I would use taxation. Mirroring the approach to independent school fees, I would very significantly increase the cost of air travel so that the passenger pays the true cost of their flight to the environment, as well as to the destination cities. We’ve seen, with the arguments in favour of taxing independent school fees, that people are comfortable with an outcome whereby only the very wealthy can access the good or service they used to enjoy.

People who can no longer afford to fly to their chosen overseas destination can always opt to holiday in the UK (which anyway is getting hotter) and the tax revenue can be invested in more sustainable forms of transport like trains and cycle lane infrastructure, or into improving uk tourist destinations so they can properly manage and benefit from the influx of new tourists.

I’d do the same for cruises, for all the same reasons.

Unfortunately, the UK can't dictate what taxes are payable on hotels, cruises, attractions, etc in other countries run by firms registered in other countries! We can just about increase taxes on air fares by increasing our UK airport taxes, but that's about it really. Unfortunately, it's part of why UK holidays are more expensive because we charge VAT at 20% on UK holiday accommodation, UK attractions, etc., but we can't impose a similar tax in other countries, many of whom deliberately have lower VAT rates (or no VAT at all) to attract tourists from higher tax countries like the UK!

SquashedSquid · 17/05/2025 14:58

OonaStubbs · 17/05/2025 10:58

I would ban all takeaways/fast food/home delivery food and ready-to-eat food in supermarkets etc. To combat the obesity epidemic.

Oh, cheers. So disabled people who rely on these services and pre-prepared food would starve, then. Nice.

SquashedSquid · 17/05/2025 14:59

Badbadbunny · 17/05/2025 14:10

No need for a ban of takeaways, just need to tax them more to make them more expensive. 20% VAT on takeaways etc isn't enough to combat the health/social costs they cause. Also make a "NIL" VAT threshold for all takeaways so the smaller ones (and tax evading ones) can't avoid VAT registration and can't avoid charging VAT on your kebabs, fish & chips, burgers, etc. The costs need to be significantly higher to discourage people from buying it, and for those who can afford it, then at least lets get a lot more tax revenue to go towards the costs of obesity and the costs of clearing up the litter etc.

Ah OK. So disabled people can still access food, but have to pay much more for it?

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/05/2025 15:00

My cat has never killed a bird or any other animal.

Yeah, you can't possibly know that.

Ponoka7 · 17/05/2025 18:14

Badbadbunny · 17/05/2025 14:10

No need for a ban of takeaways, just need to tax them more to make them more expensive. 20% VAT on takeaways etc isn't enough to combat the health/social costs they cause. Also make a "NIL" VAT threshold for all takeaways so the smaller ones (and tax evading ones) can't avoid VAT registration and can't avoid charging VAT on your kebabs, fish & chips, burgers, etc. The costs need to be significantly higher to discourage people from buying it, and for those who can afford it, then at least lets get a lot more tax revenue to go towards the costs of obesity and the costs of clearing up the litter etc.

Then the people who rely on those jobs, need benefits, because in many towns, hospitality is the main employer. So no savings made. Restaurants do take out. Deliveroo etc now means delivery is possible from any food establishment.

OonaStubbs · 17/05/2025 19:09

People will still have money to spend, they can spend it on something else, creating jobs elsewhere.

pennyHD · 17/05/2025 19:14

I would make it law that if a business is paying its staff minimum wage then the owner/CEO can only take a minimum wage amount too.

sick of companies making vast profits but only paying their staff as little as they can possibly get away with.

Runssometimes · 18/05/2025 08:33

I would also make it law that delivery companies like uber eats, deliveroo etc have to provide employees with compliant e-bikes - not these modified dangerous ones they often use. And that they are employees with rights, not self employed subcontractors. I dislike sharing the little cycle infrastructure we have with what are essentially mopeds.

taxguru · 18/05/2025 12:12

Runssometimes · 18/05/2025 08:33

I would also make it law that delivery companies like uber eats, deliveroo etc have to provide employees with compliant e-bikes - not these modified dangerous ones they often use. And that they are employees with rights, not self employed subcontractors. I dislike sharing the little cycle infrastructure we have with what are essentially mopeds.

The "pretend" self employment really needs to be cracked down in lots of different industries, not just takeaway deliveries. Not only does it cause the lack of responsibility of the "employers" in terms of sick pay, holiday pay, employers NIC, etc., it also fuels tax evasion and benefit fraud in the black economy. Rachel's NIC hike and increased employee protection laws will do the opposite and drive even more employers/fake self employed down the pretend self employment route to avoid them.

Indeedcorrect · 06/12/2025 16:44

DogsandFlowers · 27/04/2025 10:11

Dogs are brilliant and help lots of people ☺️

they do indeed @DogsandFlowers

DogsandFlowers · 06/12/2025 16:46

Does it mention anywhere here that I own a dog? You’d be a terrible lawyer.

Indeedcorrect · 06/12/2025 16:49

DogsandFlowers · 06/12/2025 16:46

Does it mention anywhere here that I own a dog? You’d be a terrible lawyer.

No
your dog died a few weeks ago
but certainly a positive view of dogs!!

DogsandFlowers · 06/12/2025 16:50

Indeedcorrect · 06/12/2025 16:49

No
your dog died a few weeks ago
but certainly a positive view of dogs!!

So I don’t own a dog then