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You are given the power to make three things illegal. What would you choose?

705 replies

SpringSunshineanddaffodils · 27/04/2025 08:40

I know people will post silly things that irritate them but think seriously. What three things would you make completely illegal right now?
Here's mine:

  1. The right to buy your council house
  2. Owning more than one property.
  3. Not keeping your cat contained in your own home. With hefty fines if it is caught killing any wildlife.
OP posts:
Fluffyyellowball · 29/04/2025 18:05

Dogs being off lead in a public place
Sunbed shops
Fillers in face/lips/body parts

OonaStubbs · 29/04/2025 18:30

If I was PM I would ban a lot of things and make this country a better place to live for everybody.

ItsSummerSoon · 29/04/2025 20:31

OonaStubbs · 29/04/2025 17:54

Chavs, dogs and alcohol.

What are chavs?

I'm a lovely person that loves wine & dogs.

Grammarnut · 29/04/2025 23:32

I don't see why one should not own more than one property, that's fine by me. The problem with the selling of council houses was that the Conservatives stopped councils building replacements with the purchase money - that's wrong, but being able to buy the house you live in is okay for many (I don't approve but I wouldn't make it illegal).
Cats are semi-domesticated animals and may wander at will. You can't fine people for not doing what they cannot do.
I would ban surrogacy in all its forms - it is treating women as objects and exploits poor women, many in developing countries.

Grammarnut · 29/04/2025 23:33

ItsSummerSoon · 29/04/2025 20:31

What are chavs?

I'm a lovely person that loves wine & dogs.

Chavs are people who wear Burberry (if that's how you spell it).
I also love wine and dogs (well, my dog, the family dogs) but I would hesitate to call myself a lovely person (I lack tact).

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 29/04/2025 23:38

letsnotIRL · 27/04/2025 08:45

  1. Smoking or drinking or any type of substance abuse while pregnant.
  2. Social media before the age of 16.
  3. Illegal to become a parent without doing some sort of parenting course. Once woman has first scan, both parents should be sent for classes to ensure child safety at home.
  4. DP says smoking altogether should be illegal.
Edited

I think you’re supposed to pick things that are actually enforceable

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 00:02

Dog shit.

Not paying child support where it is due.

Owen Jones.

Rainbowbub22 · 30/04/2025 00:13

@Morningup
Huge lorries? Would you be happy to go to the shops and have nothing on the shelves? Because the huge lorries deliver everything from food to fuel for your car, ridiculous comment

Badbadbunny · 30/04/2025 08:03

Rainbowbub22 · 30/04/2025 00:13

@Morningup
Huge lorries? Would you be happy to go to the shops and have nothing on the shelves? Because the huge lorries deliver everything from food to fuel for your car, ridiculous comment

They use smaller lorries and vans when access is impossible so it can be done without the huge ones. It’s just cost cutting to use huge lorries that cause chaos in the locations not suited to them, ie housing estates, single track country roads etc.

My son lives in an area only accessible by one road from both directions. There are low/narrow bridges from both directions due to the main railway line bridges. The shops and petrol station between the bridges manage just fine. Petrol deliveries are by a smaller shorter tanker lorry, food and other shop deliveries are via Sprinter sized vans instead of artics even for a franchised shop part of a large chain, Spar!. When my son bought his bed and sofas for his flat, the shop asked about access and he told them about the low bridges - furniture arrived in a small van, not a big lorry!

It CAN be done. Huge Lorries need to keep to motorways, trunk roads and other main roads to stop the chaos and damage they cause on unsuitable roads.

comeandhaveteawithme · 30/04/2025 10:18

Grammarnut · 29/04/2025 23:33

Chavs are people who wear Burberry (if that's how you spell it).
I also love wine and dogs (well, my dog, the family dogs) but I would hesitate to call myself a lovely person (I lack tact).

Edited

Do chavs still wear burberry?

It's not 2002 anymore

EmeraldShamrock000 · 30/04/2025 10:30

Anyone that uses the word "CHAV" should be smacked with a wet fish.

MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 10:32

AthWat · 29/04/2025 11:28

Arresting people for freedom of speech? How does that work then?

Did you not read the title of the thread?

What would you make illegal: I said arresting people for freedom of speech.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/04/2025 10:43

ForeveraBluebird · 29/04/2025 18:03

I’m getting rid of instant bbqs
Balloon, lantern release
Getting on a train before allowing passengers to get off .

You are one of those rare things: a considerate person.

AthWat · 30/04/2025 10:50

MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 10:32

Did you not read the title of the thread?

What would you make illegal: I said arresting people for freedom of speech.

Yes, and I asked, how do you arrest people for freedom of speech? To make something illegal, it makes sense for it to be something that actually happens.

Nobody is ever arrested and charged with "freedom of speech", it makes no sense at all. Some people are arrested and charged with "hate speech". Is what you mean that you want to make things that are currently defined as "hate speech" legal?

Oldglasses · 30/04/2025 10:55

I've broken laws 2 and 3 already according to you!
We own a flat that we rent out at a decent rate and have had some great tenants over the years apart from one who ended up in prison for fraud - we are decent 'accidental' landlords.

We have a cat but she mainly sticks to our garden and is not a hunter.
Guilty as charged, take me down!

Three things I'd change.

  1. People listening to music/videos/talking in restaurants/the train without headphones.
  2. Anywhere public should be smoke free - you should only be able to smoke on your own property. Cigarettes and weed.
  3. Ban Ultra processed foods - really 'bad' ones that 'claim' to be healthy.
haveyouopenedyourbowelstoday · 30/04/2025 11:09
  1. Hangers - as useful as they are I hate the way they all cling together!
  2. Pyjamas- the ones without a label on the inside back so you spend forever working out which is the right way around.
  3. Whole groups having a full conversation in the middle of the aisles in supermarket. Get out my way ffs!
Arniesaxe · 30/04/2025 11:11

Animal cruelty and as a PP said, this to include paying someone for the torture and imprisonment of animals in factory farms, we're not doing ourselves any favour as a species here. We're savages who are worse than other savages, as we know better.

Having children without knowing the first thing about being a parent AND undergoing a psychological assessment to see if you're capable of parenting effectively to a minimum standard, including the element of emotional intelligence, maturity and life ethic. I feel this is much more important than how much money anyone has.

Stamp duty.

Of course, this thread is (I assume) lighthearted.

Making things illegal doesn't stop them.
I may as well have written 'Burglary,rape, murder'...

Arniesaxe · 30/04/2025 11:12

comeandhaveteawithme · 30/04/2025 10:18

Do chavs still wear burberry?

It's not 2002 anymore

I'm with you on that-outdated statement... I own a lot of Burberry.

As do most members of the Royal Family.Are they 'chavs', too?😂

MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 11:27

AthWat · 30/04/2025 10:50

Yes, and I asked, how do you arrest people for freedom of speech? To make something illegal, it makes sense for it to be something that actually happens.

Nobody is ever arrested and charged with "freedom of speech", it makes no sense at all. Some people are arrested and charged with "hate speech". Is what you mean that you want to make things that are currently defined as "hate speech" legal?

Why didn't you get to your point sooner if you wanted an answer.

Plenty of people have been arrested for freedom of speech.

Police arrest parents who complained in school WhatsApp group – The Free Speech Union
Woman, 74, charged under abortion protest law in Glasgow - BBC News
Hundreds charged with online ‘speech crimes’ under Online Safety Act amid US free expression concerns – The Free Speech Union

Not to mention my little nugget of anecdotal evidence, where a friend had a knock on his door from local police warning him he could be arrested for saying a paedophile should be castrated on Facebook under a mugshot.

Who is anyone to determine what hate speech is? It can be as trivial as something that causes 'needless anxiety.' Up until a fortnight ago calling a transexual woman a man was hate speech.

It is better that we can all say what we want and the flakes need to toughen up.

Police arrest parents who complained in school WhatsApp group – The Free Speech Union

A couple were detained in front of their nine year-old daughter and kept in a cell for eight hours over “disparaging” messages in a school WhatsApp and follow-up emails raising concerns with school leadership.

https://freespeechunion.org/police-arrest-parents-who-complained-in-school-whatsapp-group/

BadLad · 30/04/2025 11:48

MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 11:27

Why didn't you get to your point sooner if you wanted an answer.

Plenty of people have been arrested for freedom of speech.

Police arrest parents who complained in school WhatsApp group – The Free Speech Union
Woman, 74, charged under abortion protest law in Glasgow - BBC News
Hundreds charged with online ‘speech crimes’ under Online Safety Act amid US free expression concerns – The Free Speech Union

Not to mention my little nugget of anecdotal evidence, where a friend had a knock on his door from local police warning him he could be arrested for saying a paedophile should be castrated on Facebook under a mugshot.

Who is anyone to determine what hate speech is? It can be as trivial as something that causes 'needless anxiety.' Up until a fortnight ago calling a transexual woman a man was hate speech.

It is better that we can all say what we want and the flakes need to toughen up.

I believe that poster is picking you up on your slightly misusing the phrase "freedom of speech".

Nobody is arrested for freedom of speech. For example, in your first link, "harassment, malicious communications, and causing a nuisance on school property" is what the couple were questioned about.

What you appear to be saying is that you would ban the arresting of people merely for saying / typing something. In other words, they would be protected from arrest by freedom of speech. So you would extend freedom of speech to all, rather than banning it.

AthWat · 30/04/2025 11:52

MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 11:27

Why didn't you get to your point sooner if you wanted an answer.

Plenty of people have been arrested for freedom of speech.

Police arrest parents who complained in school WhatsApp group – The Free Speech Union
Woman, 74, charged under abortion protest law in Glasgow - BBC News
Hundreds charged with online ‘speech crimes’ under Online Safety Act amid US free expression concerns – The Free Speech Union

Not to mention my little nugget of anecdotal evidence, where a friend had a knock on his door from local police warning him he could be arrested for saying a paedophile should be castrated on Facebook under a mugshot.

Who is anyone to determine what hate speech is? It can be as trivial as something that causes 'needless anxiety.' Up until a fortnight ago calling a transexual woman a man was hate speech.

It is better that we can all say what we want and the flakes need to toughen up.

None of those people have been "arrested for freedom of speech". If you are going to make "freedom of speech" your hill to die on, at least learn what it means.

ntmdino · 30/04/2025 12:15

1 - Ultra-bright headlights.
2 - Populist politicians.
3 - Religion.

XWKD · 30/04/2025 12:25
  1. Preferring cats to dogs.
  2. Expecting people to care about your wedding.
  3. "Would of", "could of" etc. being used in public.
MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 14:59

BadLad · 30/04/2025 11:48

I believe that poster is picking you up on your slightly misusing the phrase "freedom of speech".

Nobody is arrested for freedom of speech. For example, in your first link, "harassment, malicious communications, and causing a nuisance on school property" is what the couple were questioned about.

What you appear to be saying is that you would ban the arresting of people merely for saying / typing something. In other words, they would be protected from arrest by freedom of speech. So you would extend freedom of speech to all, rather than banning it.

'Nobody is arrested for freedom of speech. For example, in your first link, "harassment, malicious communications, and causing a nuisance on school property" is what the couple were questioned about.' That is the thing isn't it, anyone can accuse you of anything under the hate speech laws and it will be investigated. The powers that be can't openly admit they are arresting people for speaking it has to be justified in some way or another.

Just because the couple were questioned about the trumped up accusations it does not mean this isn't an infringement on freedom of speech. They were not charged so it proves the bullshit statement the police put out was tosh and the couple were indeed arrested for exercising their freedom of speech.

MerlinsBeard1 · 30/04/2025 15:05

AthWat · 30/04/2025 11:52

None of those people have been "arrested for freedom of speech". If you are going to make "freedom of speech" your hill to die on, at least learn what it means.

Real freedom of speech doesn't exist in Britain, so technically nobody can officially be arrested for 'freedom of speech,' that doesn't mean it does not happen though, simply under the guise of another name.

So you can split hairs about the semantics or terminology if you like, but I will credit you with the intelligence to realise my point.

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