Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

Very sad situation.

the investigation on the jeffrey epstein scandal has gone very quiet. Ghislane is the only person who has taken the rap here (rightly so). What about the others

Yes me too.

Why do threads about the royal family tend to involve so much drama and hyperbole ?

Have you taken your medicine this morning?

It's OP's syntax. Not your projections.

She was just a young girl.
The ‘people’ embroiled in this scandal are or were very rich and powerful. Andrew from the most powerful family in the land, Maxwell a daughter of one if the world’s most powerful media families.
Of course, it is a story of the ages will
never change. Rich, powerful people using people like consumable products. Use, abuse, throw out when finished.
There are trafficked people everywhere - one has probably done your nails or washed your car.
I really admired the late Queen but she had a lot to answer for when it came to Andrew. She enabled and coddled him all of his life.
I have no doubt that he has abused and taken advantage of others - you don’t go and have a little chat with Epstein to break off a friendship. He absolutely turns my stomach and the fact that he still lives in that mansion with his equally ex hideous wife is a stain on the Royal Family that they can’t shake.
As for Virginia, she knew what happened to her, whether we believe her or not. Personally, I believed her. I think she was a complex character. But I believe the narrative that she was abused.
Her poor children. They have to live with this now.
I was brought up to be a Royalist, and loved Diana. I think William and Catherine are the only hope for that family now.

A horrifically sad event, and it really shows that even the strongest of survivors can never ever escape their demons. Her poor family.

Now it’s time EVERYONE was named and consequences were delivered.

It continues to horrify me that although a woman is in prison for sex trafficking, not one man has been identified as her client. How can you jail as sex trafficker without naming the people she trafficked victims to. It certainly wasn’t just Epstein.

Whichever powerful figures are protecting the rapists, including Prince Andrew, needs to stop now, and the full force of the law needs to be imposed on every last one of them. Get the fucker deported. We know what he did. And I hope Charles fully complies in whichever way it takes to ensure this happens

And FWIW the rest of the RF should not be smeared by association, I reckon half of them want nothing to do with him except sitting nearby at funerals, they aren’t the enemies here unless they’ve been complicit in a cover up or enabled his evasion. My respect in the Queen went way down after she paid his victim off, I’m surprised it didn’t cause a bigger scandal

You make very good points @Tomatotater . Now I think of it wasn't there a time when he rammed a gate open with his range rover because he couldn't be bothered to get out and open it. My mum would've wiped the floor with me if I'd done that but obviously as PA was the Queen's favourite son it was all permitted.

He's certainly a shining example of why parents should never have a favourite child.

Rest in Peace Victoria.
We heard you and we saw your pain.

Bet there won't be much on the news today about this, given that it is the pope's funeral and all media attention will be in that.

It is no different from people actually believing that members of the RF 'work hard'. They really do have the best pr going!

So that she would drop the lawsuit against him. It was the year of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee so I think it was decided to pay VG so that nothing would over shadow that. Also the Queen was very elderly so I expect pressure was put on VG to accept the offer. Imagine the uproar if the stress had had an effect on the Queen's health.

I don’t think Camilla is best friends with Clarkson? who didn’t write a sexual fantasy about Meghan at all.

Honestly you can have a pop at Andrew without making things up.

Re Easter, are you referring to the church service they all went to?

Money talks...

This in buckets. I honestly don’t think PA is the malevolent sexual abuser or predator that he is being accused of. I don’t like the man particularly, he’s stupid, spoilt and entitled in the worst ways possible. I firmly believe that while he was not a victim of Jeffery Epstein, he was definitely a useful idiot, a vector to other people. That there were all these young women around behaving initially like normal staff would have been completely normal to PA, I completely believe that Epstein groomed him too; he wouldn’t have asked any of the girls to do anything sexual on the first few visits, only when he was comfortable.

We also have to remember that PA wasn’t the only man involved with Virginia’s abuse; Epstein used her, and many other girls, to get compromising material on rich and powerful men.

This is what you have to say about a woman who has just died in the most tragic circumstances? I don't know all the truth about this any more than anyone else but I do know what trauma can do to people, and being 'deeply disturbed' does not make her a liar.

@JandamiHash

Dont hold your breath waiting for the Windsors to do anything re Andrew.
His right in the ( corrupt) bosom of that family and going nowhere
As far as the Windsors are concerned Andrew’s only crime was being caught

The only thing the Windsors are busy doing is name changing on mumsnet to spout royalist nonsense

Kidding!

This sums it up perfectly. This was a very troubled woman who was sexually abused from the age of 7. She was street homeless as a teenager and again - underage - abused by a sex trafficker. All before she was anywhere near Epstein and Maxwell.

Andrew is a fool and there is no proof either way that what she said happened, happened. But to put 100% of the blame at his door is just madness and very unfair.

'Lady' Victoria did WHAT??!!

You know some in this uber-rich privileged class who think they're better than the rest of humanity need to think very seriously about how things like this come across to the 'poor unfortunates'.

Dumb thing to do publicly. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I’m holding my breath for nothing I don’t think a single rapist will be jailed over this Epstein business. Maxwell was the scapegoat, though she’s where she should be.

I wonder how many more Virginias have lost their lives to disgusting predators. My hearts and thoughts are with them all today.

You don't think that we should speak out to stop the sexual abuse of children and the sex trafficking of vulnerable people?

That will never happen. I think there are some very powerful people involved, more powerful than Prince Andrew.

Exactly.

Andrew is not the sharpest tool in the tool box by a long way.
He was as 'vulnerable' as VG in some ways. He was used for many things, for his status and associations, just the same as he was by the 'alleged China spy'.
He's just too dim to see it.

He's surrounded by sycophants who won't tell him anything straight. He's lived in a bubble and all those years ago, he was a type of 'foolish playboy' indulged at home and by everyone else.

She also said in an interview that she was "passed around like a platter of fruit" by Epstein to his associates.

I'm not defending Andrew but this narrative that it's all his fault because he was the one who abused her is just factually untrue. He was one of many.

i think it is unfair to call Sarah Hideous and that ginger one

I’m sure she was deeply disturbed and have all sorts of MH issues: it tends to be what’s happens when you spent your youth being raped.

I think people see victims like movie victims - they take deep breaths and find strength and peace by their mid-20’s. Some do. Most don’t.

i didnt ask that