Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

Personally I think it’s hideous when people loudly declare their support for sex offenders they cling on to, like she did, further enabling them, but different strokes for different folks I guess

@SnoozingFox

you are defending Andrew

Andrew should answer for his crimes and so should all the men involved.

Very sad

I guess ultimately no one will know the truth about any of it. But it never ever ceases to amaze me how people will fall over themselves in defending a group of people, a family of individuals who exist in a vacuum of unimaginable and unearned privilege and wealth, who, we are told, are this country’s symbol of this and that. That they represent our national values, history, identity etc. But in reality they have zero in common with the average citizen, and they cannot relate to us, their royal “subjects”, and because all of this they are untouchable in every single way. And yet we still throw money at them, to keep them where they are, and we pay them to be better than us, even though they are not.

Of course it is linked. One thing causes another and then another and another. You can't set aside incidents like this neatly.

A friend of mine has dealt with the consequences of SA from a young age. Every couple of years she absolutely crumbles emotionally. Her foster-mom takes care of her during those episodes. But she cannot function from day to day. She gets put on medication and get additional therapy. We would usually see her a few months later, slowly coming out of it. I was shocked the first time I saw her again. She seemed like a different person.

It was done to her over 30 years ago. Her life is incredibly hard because of what was done to her as a child. Many victims never fully recover, or have severe mental set-backs from time to time, like my friend.

There should be no time limit on punishing the perpetrators.

No I'm not. I am saying that the premise of this thread - that the suicide of this woman is all his fault - is factually untrue.

I think that is unfair.
There are several members of the RF who are in fact commoners.
Catherine, Sophie, Camilla and 'Fergie'. Even the late Prince Philip was a relative commoner, albeit with distant royal relatives in Greece but he had a terrible life as a child passed from one family to another and arrived here almost as a refugee.

They bring influence. I think William is especially sensitive and will change the monarchy for the better in some ways.

They all do the best they can given their position, for various charities.

You can't ignore the Prince's Trust, the D of E award, and various other charities that they have established or are patrons of.

No crime has been proved.

I don’t see anyone saying it is ALL Andrew’s fault but due to his stupidly and that of the royals Andrew is the only one Im aware of who has given an interview about Epstein , denied all wrongdoing , and had his mother pay off his accuser .

She would never have done it, had she not been abused. It's one of the worst things that can happen to a child and, no, I do not care that the age of consent is 16. She was still a child and Andrew is a damn pedophile.

Absolutely this, and now the poor woman has killed herself.

It's not her age primarily (although it's a big issue), it's the fact she was trafficked abd used as a sex toy by the rich and famous. That would obviously cause lasting psychological damage.

What crime

With Trump in power even if Charles was minded to cut him loose, which I'm sure he isn't then it would be a non-starter. Being pilloried in the court of public opinion is the only redress that scumbag will ever get sadly.

She dated (or rather had liasons with) Prince Andrew and went to Epstein's parties, she claimed that she was also used, but also denied that the girls didn't fully consent. So she's had to stick by that.

So it’s incident until proven guilty except if you read the newspapers and decide you know facts about things that happened years ago?

i cannot stand Andrew and his arrogant twatishness but evidence he was there and raped her is not strong enough for this vigilante nonsense.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea0895f641685358

David Bois in 2009 and by Sigrid McCawley who was also from Bois’ law firm when they reopened it in 2019 (I’m not a lawyer, I’m probably using the wrong language). She did have another lawyer before David Bois, but I can’t recall his name off the top of my head.

Except he paid her off so it’s hard to believe he didn’t rape her.

BTW having a thread on MN isn’t what being a vigilante means.

Really ?

Why did Andrew not help either uk police or the FBI if he was innocent ? He’d hasn’t helped one iota.
He’d have plenty of protection in place .
He vowed to do so in his BBC interview
He didn’t .

Sorry but there's no evidence that Andrew is a pedophile.
A slimey, creepy, idiotic bastard yes.
But having had the misfortune of meeting him twice at events his preference was for 16-24 year old young women. I say this as I was unfortunately on the receiving end of his gross creepy (in my case unsuccessful) chat up lines 🤮 along with every other female in his age range. The second time I met him I was thankfully to old for his taste, however it didn't stop me seeing him going round hitting on all the 16-24 year olds with the same creepy lines he was trying years before that did work on a couple of young nieve women unfortunately.
Knowing what we all know about Epstine now, how anyone with half a brain wouldn't have atleast questioned how/why he always had so many young available women around/with him, but many didn't or were wilfully blind to it.
The thing that I keep coming back to when I think about it is that I just don't think that Andrew is intelligent or self aware enough to have even questioned any of it at the time (he really is that dumb,privileged and up himself).
I don't know what that poor woman went through and won't comment on the allegations against her nor her very public spiral, however I'd say that Epstine and maxwell have had a much greater impact on the outcome of her life than any other individual (each 1 will have contributed to it even Andrew) and I don't think that they should be let off the hook (yes I know Epstine is dead) just to bash the royals (no I'm not a monarchist). Let's lay the blame for this exactly where it belongs at the feet of everyone involved including the law enforcement officers and prosecutors who refused to stop Epstine and Maxwell even when they had the evidence for years, putting all the blame on Andrew let's all of the rest get away scott free and that's not ok ,it's how these things are able to keep happening.

Poor woman - traumatised by trafficking and rape as a girl, and then belittled and accused and undergoing trial by media as an adult.

I would like to see the investigation files on all the other men involved in Epstein's criminal activities. Andrew is a repulsive individual, but a handy fall guy, not being a wealthy, powerful American.

OP seems weirdly stuck on the (false) fact that it's only illegal to have sex with a trafficked woman if she's under 18.

And note it is not just about this one incident in london re Andrew

Andrew spent years touring Epsteins various homes in New York , Florida and elsewhere

I would agree with you on all counts. There are plenty of prominent names mentioned. Very rich and powerful men. Thet seem to have got off the hook.

I've never claimed he is. But noone can say for sure he isn't either.