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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

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Muffinmam · 26/04/2025 07:14

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

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Applesonthelawn · 26/04/2025 08:43

There will be a lot more to this story than we know and you are unreasonable to jump to conclusions. It is possible (and I really don't know) that her recent post that she was close to death, when she was definitely not, is an example of her tendency to make up stories for attention. In which case, she may be thinking she pushed it too far this time and therefore has no credibility any more about the previous time. No-one knows. lIt's very sad and life changing for her children, and for sure it is bad that she fell into (or was coerced into) prostitution at a young age, but it's more complicated than just being about Andrew. Nothing about Andrew's life shows him in a good light anyway so I don't think this changes anyone's view of him.

thepariscrimefiles · 26/04/2025 08:43

MidnightPatrol · 26/04/2025 08:11

No criminal case was brought against him because there was no evidence to convict him upon.

Anyone can bring a civil case - and, I am sure in that example they probably paid her to stop the continuous bad publicity.

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£12 million is an awful lot to shell out to stop bad publicity if you are entirely innocent. If this had gone to court, Andrew would have had the best lawyers that money can buy and if he had done absolutely nothing wrong, it would have been a great opportunity for him to clear his name.

I presume that you think that his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was also all above board and a genuine friendship and that Andrew knew absolutely nothing of his (proven in a court of law) crimes?

NorthWestToWest · 26/04/2025 08:44

Sorry but you're being irrational OP.

There was far more to her life than PA.

Far more men, far more things you and we don't know of.

I think your post is in bad taste.

curious79 · 26/04/2025 08:44

Definitely has blood on his hands but the idea he has faced no consequences is not right either. The man is a social pariah, unwelcome on a public stage, shunned by the society he lauded over. He has suffered (well-deservedly) a massive fall from grace. It is also true to say that was the age of consent when his sordid involvement occurred. Most other old men sh@gging 17 yr olds would get away with it completely. He hasn't but beyond the fine / agreement made out of court, there was no other legal recourse.

Meadowfinch · 26/04/2025 08:44

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 08:36

@Meadowfinch I'm not implying that they had sex. As has been pointed out, there is no evidence of any relationship at all.

This is very true, but it also makes the fact he gave her an out of court sum of money a very strange thing to have done.

He didn't. The late queen did. It was her decision, with decades more experience of dealing with the press, that it was the fastest way to put an end to the matter. Having been through the whole Diana conspiracy thing, perhaps she felt the need to protect her grand children by the only means available to her.

The point is we don't know.

Bikergran · 26/04/2025 08:44

araiwa · 26/04/2025 07:18

I've never heard him called that before

Age of consent in UK is 17?

It's 16.

NorthWestToWest · 26/04/2025 08:45

Applesonthelawn · 26/04/2025 08:43

There will be a lot more to this story than we know and you are unreasonable to jump to conclusions. It is possible (and I really don't know) that her recent post that she was close to death, when she was definitely not, is an example of her tendency to make up stories for attention. In which case, she may be thinking she pushed it too far this time and therefore has no credibility any more about the previous time. No-one knows. lIt's very sad and life changing for her children, and for sure it is bad that she fell into (or was coerced into) prostitution at a young age, but it's more complicated than just being about Andrew. Nothing about Andrew's life shows him in a good light anyway so I don't think this changes anyone's view of him.

^This

CantStopMoving · 26/04/2025 08:45

Sorry if this has been answered, apart from being a pompous idiot with bad taste in friends, what is he guilty of? I have never seen a shred of evidence that he did anything and the worst thing was that he may have had sex with someone who was legal but a bit ickly young. There was an awful lot of speculation but I’ve never seen any cold hard facts.

whatkatydid2014 · 26/04/2025 08:45

DrummingMousWife · 26/04/2025 07:59

Any common man would have been jailed - he should be in prison as we speak, not swanning around having a good time and attending Easter celebrations . It’s disgusting that status allows you to avoid the law.

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Honestly I don’t think that’s true. Sexual assault and rape cases are rarely prosecuted and when they are they rarely succeed.
If it hadn’t been famous men that were involved in this resulting in interest from the press I wonder if anyone would have listened to her at all. I’m not suggesting that’s right but I don’t think it’s realistic to suggest most people in his position would be jailed

Never2many · 26/04/2025 08:46

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 26/04/2025 08:30

I think she topped herself because she exposed herself for the liar she is with the being dead in four days lie! She was obviously a deeply disturbed woman with lots of issues and anyone who believes 100% everything she said is more than a little bit naive and stupid.

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Agree with you entirely but of course now people will say that it is wrong to accuse her of being a liar.

If she’d been a man people on here would be saying that he was a narcissist and that suicide was just an attention thing.

Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.

CantStopMoving · 26/04/2025 08:47

thepariscrimefiles · 26/04/2025 08:43

£12 million is an awful lot to shell out to stop bad publicity if you are entirely innocent. If this had gone to court, Andrew would have had the best lawyers that money can buy and if he had done absolutely nothing wrong, it would have been a great opportunity for him to clear his name.

I presume that you think that his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was also all above board and a genuine friendship and that Andrew knew absolutely nothing of his (proven in a court of law) crimes?

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My understanding as that they didn’t want any thing overshadowing the queen’s last years and they didn’t want the York princesses to be embarrassed. Just easier to make it go away.

OneBadKitty · 26/04/2025 08:50

Andrew is a bit of an idiot, he might be stupid and foolish but he's in no way responsible for her death.
I don't believe at the time that she was traumatised and trafficked. She was a pretty young girl, she was probably having a great time travelling round the world meeting princes and rich businessmen and getting lots of attention. She was 17, a young woman and over the age of consent. She only came 'out' about her abuse when she though there was some money to be made.
If anyone is responsible, then it is her parents for her shoddy upbringing and allowing their daughter to be exploited and most likely actually encouraging it!

Ukisgaslit · 26/04/2025 08:51

Ponoka7 · 26/04/2025 08:43

I see the death of Dolores O'Riordan at being at the hands of her childhood sex abuser, so I agree with you. Andrew knew that Epstein was a pedophile and sex trafficker, he isn't innocent, by association alone. Having royal friends makes people untouchable. It's only the strength and courage of the victims that brought this all to light. It isn't surprising, Mountbatten was outed, Charles protected quite a few and there's power behind other allegations, which if posted would get me banned.

Thank you

I’d remind readers that Andrew stayed with Epstein in New York after Epstein had been convicted is sex offences against a minor

When asked why Andrew replied that it was a convenient place to stay.
He also told the bbc that he’d had no further contact with Epstein . This was later revealed to be a lie and that he’d had regular contact. At one point Andrew messaged Epstein to say they ‘play’ soon

Th30ry55 · 26/04/2025 08:52

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 26/04/2025 08:40

Just to make the point. It is the sane in the UK. I won't share my story but for post abuse trauma I have quoted over a year for trauma counselling I'll be lucky to be seen by next year summer, and that will faster than expected. This is in the UK. They check you every few months to ensure you're still alive and give you leaflets and online resources. But that's the wait. Unless you can afford private.

I'd also like to make the point that everyone is rightly upset about this, but the government is saying it doesn't give a shiney S* about mental trauma and expects you to get out of bed, get over it, get on with it. As a nation we don't truly care about people (mostly women) constantly living with suicide ideation day in, day out, as a result of past sexual trauma. Women struggling to function normally as mother's, daughter's, wives, girlfriends imagine having that underneath then suffering another life trauma or stressful event like divorce, or grief, or financial difficulties? But it doesn't matter. So I hear this outrage towards Prince Andrew, but it's a bit...I don't know..hollow? Artificial. Because in practice the country actually does not give a damn about rape, or SA victims. Especially poor ones. It doesn't do anything to support them as a priority. There are charities. But they're struggling.

I hope something good and some focus on this might come out of this tragedy and the poor girl hasn't died for nothing.

But do I think the RF have direct 'blood on their hands?' No. Well no more than other families who have the misfortune to have a family member who turns out to be an abuser. It happens in many families up and down the country who go through huge upheaval and struggle and are never the same again. I have a friend whose brother abused his niece's daughter. It has completely ruined them. The family split with one side supporting the niece's daughter and the other side who couldn't catch up fast enough with the emotional shock to give the right response, immediately and permanently cut off.

I think the authorities, those with legislative power who knew what was going on and didn't or wouldn't hold Epstein to justice for decades are to blame for VG and all the women. There were Judges, police and other people who tooks bribes and celebrities who looked the other way and other sycophants who supported him, shut down the victims, and did nothing. It's on these people and the social parasites with too much money who think they have a right to buy anything because justice is about how much cash you have and who you know. PA personally partly does have blood his hands. But so do many others. VA never named all the men for reasons I don't know.

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This!
However I would say can we not dismiss boys and men who are sexually abused and raped .One in 18 are and it’s well known boys and men are less likely to come forward.

My son was one and kept it hidden for years. The wait for trauma counselling is 18months where he is. He has had years as a teen of being let down by services .His life has been decimated and he is having to pay a fortune in private fees from his criminal injuries money just to function. He is very unwell, the trauma is horrendous and incredibly debilitating. It isn’t fair, he should be able to use that money to rebuild his life not fund what he should already be having/ had as a child.

There is literally no support.

NetZeroZealot · 26/04/2025 08:52

HelenWheels · 26/04/2025 08:20

where is Ghislaine Maxwell

In prison. The only person who has paid a price for Epstein’s appalling crimes.

Borrowandmiss · 26/04/2025 08:53

I agree @Nominative. Some posters are suggesting that she was killed. The BBC headline is suicide. She was very very troubled but her family had turned their backs on her, her children wanted nothing to do with her. She was due in court and sadly she took her own life. Yet, some posters are determined to make out that she was murdered. It will be terrible enough for her children as it is. She wanted out of it all. She wanted peace and it seems in such poor taste to hint at goodness knows what. Her family must want to grieve and come to terms with her death in their own way. I think it is important to leave the family alone and give them privacy.

Th30ry55 · 26/04/2025 08:54

And yes the hypocrisy on MN is huge. Loads of frothing faux concern anti Prince Andre threads because it looks good one minute and then a deluge of threads saying trauma is nothing and people should just get on with it and quit whining about MH the next.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 08:54

Meadowfinch · 26/04/2025 08:44

He didn't. The late queen did. It was her decision, with decades more experience of dealing with the press, that it was the fastest way to put an end to the matter. Having been through the whole Diana conspiracy thing, perhaps she felt the need to protect her grand children by the only means available to her.

The point is we don't know.

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A rare potential misstep from the late Queen I think. I can understand them wanting to avoid a potentially embarrassing, revealing trial. Particularly after that News Night balls up but did they they not realise that paying to make this disappear is always going to look a little shady.
Perhaps it just seemed like the lesser of two evils.

I'm not arguing with your last point btw, I don't know and I don't claim to. It's just the payout that I find a bit of a sticky wicket.

Theunamedcat · 26/04/2025 08:54

araiwa · 26/04/2025 07:18

I've never heard him called that before

Age of consent in UK is 17?

16 but it doesn't apply if your trafficked you cannot consent

Theunamedcat · 26/04/2025 08:55

NetZeroZealot · 26/04/2025 08:52

In prison. The only person who has paid a price for Epstein’s appalling crimes.

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Her crimes too she was complicit

savory · 26/04/2025 08:56

myplace · 26/04/2025 08:42

It’s ludicrous to say that he ‘got away with it because he’s royal’.

He was one of many, most of whom haven’t been dragged through the media- that bit happened because he was royal.

His behaviour at the time was sleazy, but he was reported at the time almost admiringly, as a playboy prince. The behaviour was almost expected of him. It certainly wouldn’t have crossed his mind to wonder about consent- the narrative at the time would have been that they were ‘lucky’ to have caught his eye.

His behaviour wasn’t remarkable at the time.
It doesn’t make him a nonce or paedophile

It’s not illegal for a 41 yr old to sleep with a 17yr old, so he wouldn’t be up in court about it. I don’t think we knew what trafficking was, at the time. I think we had heard of the ‘white slave trade’, but that wouldn’t have been understood as white girls taken to sleep with white men. It would have been a fear (possibly urban myth) about white hurls being trafficked to Saudi Arabia for men there.

Prince Andrew visited Jeffrey Epstein and stayed at his New York mansion after Epstein had been convicted of sex offences involving a minor, so the claim that he didn't know about Epstein’s background doesn't stand up.

Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in 2008 in Florida for soliciting prostitution from a minor.

Prince Andrew visited Epstein in late 2010, after that conviction, and stayed at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion for several days.

RosesAndHellebores · 26/04/2025 08:56

NorthWestToWest · 26/04/2025 08:44

Sorry but you're being irrational OP.

There was far more to her life than PA.

Far more men, far more things you and we don't know of.

I think your post is in bad taste.

This

Goingoutofmymind25 · 26/04/2025 08:56

Lifestooshort71 · 26/04/2025 07:30

Looney tunes out in force on this one. He's a thick entitled sleazeball, agreed, but not charged or convicted of any offence. Don't bother with a slanging match as I won't be reading it.

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Exactly! Don't like the guy, but he's not been convicted of anything, her story was pretty inconsistent, may she rest in peace now.
But all the delulus are out in force this morning

LondonPapa · 26/04/2025 08:57

Meadowfinch · 26/04/2025 08:38

Regardless of anyone's views on P A, please can we stop the attacks on VG. Whatever the truth, a human being has felt so desperate she has left her children and ended her own life. That's a tragedy in anyone's book

Show a bit of decency.

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I didn’t attack VG. I stated the facts. So, I am showing decency.

Theunamedcat · 26/04/2025 08:57

LlynTegid · 26/04/2025 07:25

I think the title of Duke of York should have been removed from him years ago.

People always say this like it's as easy as you like it bloody isn't

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