Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

737 replies

Muffinmam · 26/04/2025 07:14

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

OP posts:
Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 26/04/2025 08:32

Oh and i also believe that Prince Andrew is an odious prick but that doesn’t make what she says true.

Nominative · 26/04/2025 08:32

skippy67 · 26/04/2025 07:38

How do you know?

More pertinently, how do you know anyone isn't a paedophile? Or how do you know otherwise?

Meadowfinch · 26/04/2025 08:32

Ukisgaslit · 26/04/2025 08:26

”I can well believe Andrew to be arrogant, entitled, not very bright, a poor judge of character, too easily flattered but I do not believe he would have sex with anyone without consent. No-one in his position, with years of being in the public eye, and of the gutter press, would be that stupid.”

@Meadowfinch

you seem to be implying in your post that Virginia Guiffre was able to consent to sex with Andrew Windsor

Are you not aware that trafficked women and girls are not able to consent ??

I'm not implying that they had sex. As has been pointed out, there is no evidence of any relationship at all.

All I"ve seen is a picture of a teenager standing by a Royal, the kind of celebrity snap people post on social media every day.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 08:32

SipandClean · 26/04/2025 08:26

How do we know anything for sure? How do we know she was abused by Andrew? It’s her word against his. Nothing has ever been proved or disproved.

I'm not claiming to know anything one way or the other but I do have to wonder why Andrew paid VG off to the tune of £3million? It's not proof of any wrongdoing but equally it does raise an eyebrow.

Ilovetowander · 26/04/2025 08:34

Zonder · 26/04/2025 08:25

Do you think the £12m pay off has anything to do with this?

The police did not prosecute, Andrew was not charged and was not found guitly, therefore he is innocent. Reports say that the royal family put pressure on him to pay as they didn't want a court circus which given what has happened with Prince Harry I can believe but I don't know if that is true or not. The fact remains he has not been convicted or even charged with anything. If someone made an allegation against my family member or friends when they had not been charged or convicted I would be fiercely defending them. The principle of innocent until proved guilty is in my view fundamental - otherwise as a society everyone could in theory allegations however unfounded.

BitOutOfPractice · 26/04/2025 08:35

The ripples from this terrible business just keep going on and on - for everyone involved except him it seems.

That poor woman. She’s been through so much.

@Muffinmam the reason people keep telling you that the age of consent is 16 is because you say 17 in your op. A typo I assume. And I know that doesn’t apply in the case of trafficking.

Never2many · 26/04/2025 08:36

PinkyFlamingo · 26/04/2025 08:30

And you know that exactly how?

A paedophile is someone with an interest in prepubescent children. But is a term which people on MN frequently use to describe older men having sex with younger women.

There is 0 suggestion that Andrew is a paedophile, and to suggest that he is could land you into serious hot water legally as that is defamation.

Added to which, the misuse of the term paedophile diminishes the abuse which genuine victims of paedophiles go through.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 08:36

@Meadowfinch I'm not implying that they had sex. As has been pointed out, there is no evidence of any relationship at all.

This is very true, but it also makes the fact he gave her an out of court sum of money a very strange thing to have done.

Wanttobefree2 · 26/04/2025 08:37

I just wonder where her parents were in all of this, why was she allowed to be hanging around with these super rich guys and flying all over the world.

Meadowfinch · 26/04/2025 08:38

LondonPapa · 26/04/2025 08:29

@Muffinmam he does not have blood on his hands. By all accounts, she appears to be a violent abuser herself, and due before the court. I have very little sympathy for her, and her family.

Regardless of anyone's views on P A, please can we stop the attacks on VG. Whatever the truth, a human being has felt so desperate she has left her children and ended her own life. That's a tragedy in anyone's book

Show a bit of decency.

m00rfarm · 26/04/2025 08:38

savory · 26/04/2025 08:28

Charles was friends with Laurens Van Der Post , Jimmy Saville, nephew of Mounbatten, Bishop Peter Ball - all notorious paedophiles. Indeed he remained friends with the Bishop and helped him with accomodation after he was outed just like Andrew with Epstein. There is something seriously wrong in their moral compasses to put it mildly.

So, in fact, you are NOT referring to ANY Windsor peadophiles.

TheStrangestThings · 26/04/2025 08:38

MoreChocPls · 26/04/2025 07:23

I’m sure there’s so much to this story than people know but at the end of the day, this woman had kids and family and the loss of her in tragic circumstance will be more than enough to deal with, let alone all the speculation and comments. Sympathies with her family.

Agreed. I don’t understand why people can’t respect the deceased’s family by stopping speculation. Just found out that Virginia Roberts/Giuffre has passed away. She was clearly very troubled due to her traumatic life experiences. And I just saw another thread on here that she somehow faked a bus accident so clearly she needed help. It’s sad that she didn’t get the help and support that she needed and has now sadly taken her own life.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 26/04/2025 08:40

Iudncuewbccgrcb · 26/04/2025 07:23

I don't think he has faced zero consequences. He's basically lost his job, his home, his social status and become someone that anyone with any sense keeps as far away from their functions as possible.

Everyone is laughing at him and thinks he is vile.

For someone like him that's probably worse than prison.

He'd be as welcome at a ribbon cutting these days as Saville.

Apart from all those royal things he has been to recently. He didn't have a job, he just shmoozed (badly by most accounts). He's a multi millionaire as a result of no personal effort. Poor him. Diddums.

hyggetyggedotorg · 26/04/2025 08:40

NattyTurtle59 · 26/04/2025 08:23

So of all the things that have happened in her life, including being estranged from her children, it was Prince Andrew who tipped her over the edge??

Do get a grip - maybe try and find something useful to occupy your time with.

It seems totally possible that the trauma of being trafficked & raped as a teenager could have caused, or at least contributed to considerably, her lifelong mental health problem yes. And her lifelong mental health problem in turn caused or contributed to more recent events in her life.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 08:40

@Wanttobefree2 I think I saw her write once that her parents were given a big pay off and to them money/celebrity mattered more. Much like the parents who allowed their kids to stay overnight alone with Michael Jackson.

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 26/04/2025 08:40

HelenWheels · 26/04/2025 07:35

There just isn’t the help here. There is nowhere for these people to go and get help.

that's interesting

Just to make the point. It is the sane in the UK. I won't share my story but for post abuse trauma I have quoted over a year for trauma counselling I'll be lucky to be seen by next year summer, and that will faster than expected. This is in the UK. They check you every few months to ensure you're still alive and give you leaflets and online resources. But that's the wait. Unless you can afford private.

I'd also like to make the point that everyone is rightly upset about this, but the government is saying it doesn't give a shiney S* about mental trauma and expects you to get out of bed, get over it, get on with it. As a nation we don't truly care about people (mostly women) constantly living with suicide ideation day in, day out, as a result of past sexual trauma. Women struggling to function normally as mother's, daughter's, wives, girlfriends imagine having that underneath then suffering another life trauma or stressful event like divorce, or grief, or financial difficulties? But it doesn't matter. So I hear this outrage towards Prince Andrew, but it's a bit...I don't know..hollow? Artificial. Because in practice the country actually does not give a damn about rape, or SA victims. Especially poor ones. It doesn't do anything to support them as a priority. There are charities. But they're struggling.

I hope something good and some focus on this might come out of this tragedy and the poor girl hasn't died for nothing.

But do I think the RF have direct 'blood on their hands?' No. Well no more than other families who have the misfortune to have a family member who turns out to be an abuser. It happens in many families up and down the country who go through huge upheaval and struggle and are never the same again. I have a friend whose brother abused his niece's daughter. It has completely ruined them. The family split with one side supporting the niece's daughter and the other side who couldn't catch up fast enough with the emotional shock to give the right response, immediately and permanently cut off.

I think the authorities, those with legislative power who knew what was going on and didn't or wouldn't hold Epstein to justice for decades are to blame for VG and all the women. There were Judges, police and other people who tooks bribes and celebrities who looked the other way and other sycophants who supported him, shut down the victims, and did nothing. It's on these people and the social parasites with too much money who think they have a right to buy anything because justice is about how much cash you have and who you know. PA personally partly does have blood his hands. But so do many others. VA never named all the men for reasons I don't know.

Tomatotater · 26/04/2025 08:41

can well believe Andrew to be arrogant, entitled, not very bright, a poor judge of character, too easily flattered but I do not believe he would have sex with anyone without consent. No-one in his position, with years of being in the public eye, and of the gutter press, would be that stupid.”
I can believe he is that stupid. Have you not seen his interview with Emily Maitliss? His litany of dodgy/spy friends? It seems every shady character/ dodgy oligarch/rich criminal in the world did see that he was actually, that stupid. He said in the Maitliss interview that he didn't notice or wonder why very young girls were there at Epsteins houses, ' massaging' rich old men, because ' people like him' don't see the staff- they are just there. So as far as he could see they weren't even worthy of consideration. Just there to bring him things, or service his needs.

Nominative · 26/04/2025 08:41

HoskinsChoice · 26/04/2025 08:06

You're essentially glorifying in the death of a woman in order to put the boot into the royal family. That's pretty sick.

This woman was a victim of abuse way, way before she ever met Epstein. She had a horrific childhood which involved abuse, living on the streets and being passed from foster home to foster home. When Epstein and Maxwell got hold of her, she was lured into prostitution and potentially slept with hundreds of men for money and a high end lifestyle of luxury houses, international travel and private jets.

There is zero evidence that she slept with Andrew and of course there is zero evidence that she didn't. We will never know. What we do know is that Andrew was not even close to being the leader or instigator of anything that happened in her childhood or young adult life. He was possibly a very, very tiny cog in an enormous wheel.

Please don't use this woman's tragic life to push your anti-royal views. It's disgusting to use this to suit your agenda. 'That ginger woman' tells us everything we need to know about you. Go and do something nice and get over your prejudices and discrimination.

This. There is something about OP's post that seems to be positively salivating about the whole thing.

FamilyPhoto · 26/04/2025 08:41

nottheplan · 26/04/2025 08:29

You'll get a lot of Royal apologists on this thread. The Royals can do no wrong in many minds. I completely agree with you, had he been a meer mortal he'd have faced the wrath of the public. This is just shoved under the carpet. Now had he ever dared to leave the Royal family he would be absolutely hated and vindicated(as Harry)

Exactly.
H and M are vilified for leaving the RF and A is supported .
Bonkers.

Gandalfatemyhamster · 26/04/2025 08:41

@Wanttobefree2have you ever tried to keep an unruly teenager home? Have you ever had a teenager lie, cheat, run away to do what they wanted to do? It’s much much harder to do than you think. I was abused as a teen, it’s common, my parents did everything to try to prevent it.

myplace · 26/04/2025 08:42

It’s ludicrous to say that he ‘got away with it because he’s royal’.

He was one of many, most of whom haven’t been dragged through the media- that bit happened because he was royal.

His behaviour at the time was sleazy, but he was reported at the time almost admiringly, as a playboy prince. The behaviour was almost expected of him. It certainly wouldn’t have crossed his mind to wonder about consent- the narrative at the time would have been that they were ‘lucky’ to have caught his eye.

His behaviour wasn’t remarkable at the time.
It doesn’t make him a nonce or paedophile

It’s not illegal for a 41 yr old to sleep with a 17yr old, so he wouldn’t be up in court about it. I don’t think we knew what trafficking was, at the time. I think we had heard of the ‘white slave trade’, but that wouldn’t have been understood as white girls taken to sleep with white men. It would have been a fear (possibly urban myth) about white hurls being trafficked to Saudi Arabia for men there.

Devonshiregal · 26/04/2025 08:42

Kingoftheroad · 26/04/2025 07:22

Poor poor woman. She’s been killed.

She came out on international television and said all sorts of incriminating things about Andrew and all the rest of them. She went into detail about being abused etc. this was years ago. And only now she’s been killed? She had more stuff to come out? Doubt it, she literally spent months shouting about it all from every news outlet available. She was very unstable and clearly has suffered a lot of mental health crises. If, indeed, she had lost access to her kids that would be enough for anyone, let alone on top of years of the rest of the stress. The royal family need to hire better hitmen if it took them all this time to find her 🙄

Ponoka7 · 26/04/2025 08:43

I see the death of Dolores O'Riordan at being at the hands of her childhood sex abuser, so I agree with you. Andrew knew that Epstein was a pedophile and sex trafficker, he isn't innocent, by association alone. Having royal friends makes people untouchable. It's only the strength and courage of the victims that brought this all to light. It isn't surprising, Mountbatten was outed, Charles protected quite a few and there's power behind other allegations, which if posted would get me banned.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 08:43

Meadowfinch · 26/04/2025 08:38

Regardless of anyone's views on P A, please can we stop the attacks on VG. Whatever the truth, a human being has felt so desperate she has left her children and ended her own life. That's a tragedy in anyone's book

Show a bit of decency.

I'm hoping PA actual friends will take the same approach but considering,"Lady" Victoria Hervey put a IG post up with the word KARMA on top of VGs post about only having four days to live, I'm not holding my breath.

Nominative · 26/04/2025 08:43

DrummingMousWife · 26/04/2025 07:59

Any common man would have been jailed - he should be in prison as we speak, not swanning around having a good time and attending Easter celebrations . It’s disgusting that status allows you to avoid the law.

Edited

How could he have been jailed? He was never even arrested, let alone charged