Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

Forgot that William hadn't been born then.

A payout would always have been on the cards. She said she was going to take it all the way but then didn't.

they are very common, including employment law cases which are regularly settled with no liability accepted

So employment settlements where the complainant never actually worked for the company are common? Because Andrew maintained he never met VG.

But apologists don't care that he lied, they care about the "facts". Do you ever ask yourself if you have all the facts? The Andrew apologists who are far more intelligent than us and understand that Andrew and the head of state settled the case because they didn't want other information coming out. What was that other information? Presumably it would be very damaging, hence the settlement.

As for the people that say no crime was committed because VG was over the age of consent, do you understand consent? Do you know that a man is not allowed to have sex with any woman he likes as long as she's over the age of consent. She must consent to the sex, trafficked women cannot do that.

And while Andrew is not the only person to have harmed VG, he absolutely had the power to save her and other girls harmed by Epstein but he didn't do a thing. Imagine if he had used his power to help those girls.

I'm not for one minute suggesting there is anything dodgy about VG's death. But I bet there are quite a few rich, powerful and famous men sleeping easier tonight knowing that it's not going to be them next in the spotlight.

I have never seen any evidence that what she alleged was true

If Virginia was telling the truth I expect that's what a court case might have shown, @CantStopMoving, but she chose to take a payout instead, I don't think the RF would never have allowed Andrew to enter a witness box, and now we'll never know either way

I don't think the RF would never have allowed Andrew to enter a witness box.

Not a hope. The Queen had a sudden flash of memory when Paul Burrell was about to take the stand in his theft trial to stop any embarrassing skeletons coming out. There was no way they'd let Andrew anywhere near, especially after proving himself as a total liability during the NN interview.

I don't need you to instruct me on what I should read. I can decide that all by myself.

Maybe read some of those testimonies then

FFS. You are having a go at everyone on this thread about not being factual and yet you are saying this woman who was trafficked and a victim of sexual abuse probably slept with hundreds of men. Where are your facts for this,?

You are appalling

He has a condition which means he cannot sweat. So he never met her.
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And he was at Pizza Express 🤫

In fact, it wasn't even 'probably'. It was 'must have ' slept with hundreds of men.

I have never said this before on mumsnet, but you should be deeply ashamed of that comment.
I cannot believe what I have just read. A victim of suicide only yesterday - after sexual abuse and trafficking torn apart like this.
I am shocked

IIRC the sex trafficking offence was not law at that time, so PA didn't break the law & the events cannot be back dated to be criminal. This applies across the board not as a get out for the few.

That he's sleazy, arrogant & many other unpleasant attributes is a given. His reputation is shot & he is rapidly irrelevant.

The case brought was a civil case & as often happens was settled out of court.

Honestly the poor woman was absolutley trafficked by Epstein and maxwell and pimped out to their friends among whom was Andrew.
what’s less clear is if they a) knew she was being trafficked orb) thought she was a groupie who was dying to sleep with a celebrity or royal.
Trying to lay the sole blame at just one or the these friends door simply because you dislike the royals is quite insulting to her and her family to be honest.
she clearly had struggled massively in recent years poor woman.

That's a really silly, ridiculous premise and not remotely comparable!

Nobody has "all the facts" - that's the whole point! Nobody can judge the situation because there's so much that's not known! I'm sick of this "apologists' shite when it's some of us trying to be objective, pragmatic and non-judgemental!

They settled the case for a number of reasons, I imagine (because I don't know), presumably for economic reasons, for the avoidance of negative publicity, to prevent Andrew potentially having to implicate others, because the Queen was ill and frail and nobody wanted to overshadow her Platinum Jubilee. We have seen how damaging all the speculation has been and that's with settlement in place.

What kind of a statement is this? "But apologists don't care that he lied, they care about the "facts"" - if he lied then those things are not "facts" ffs!!

It would have been amazing if Andrew had "used his power to help those girls". I doubt very much that he was capable of even seeing them as human beings in need of help! I don't think he's percipient or empathetic! It wouldn't even have entered his head, I don't believe. He's spoilt and entitled, and unused to having to think about others.

FFS by her own account she was pimped out to a lot of men. I don't have a figure for that. It could have been less, it could have been more?

Either way, it's horrendous. I don't know why you are having a go at me?!!

I'll read what I choose thanks.

WTF are you on about? It wasn't a fucking criticism? Are you quite ok?

It was an estimation of the brutality of what she must have suffered! Do you think she was only forced to sleep with Andrew then?

He's spoilt and entitled, and unused to having to think about others.

Unless its Jeffrey Epstein, he was so mindful of not upsetting him that he couldn't tell him their friendship was over (after he'd served his prison sentence for the SA of underage girls) on the phone and just had to fly to NY and stay at his house.

Your point is? I don't think he was thinking about Epstein, but more about himself!

Clearly his behaviour was disgraceful. I don't think anyone disagrees about that!

Because of what you post, that's why. This troubled woman has only just committed suicide, yet you think it's OK to put up a post that smacks of 'so what! she must have slept with hundreds of men, why should poor Andrew get blamed'. You are not pointing out the brutality she may have suffered at all. You are dismissive of her.

If you can't see how your posts look, there is absolutely no point in trying to explain to you.

Of course I'm OK. I don't need your pathetic scoffing laughing emoji reactions on my posts or your faux concern.

Oh yes he was ' too honourable' to just ghost his sex trafficker friend who had given him and his ex wife loads if cash for absolutely no reason, apart from loving how amazingly blue blooded they are! He had to take a week to tell him too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Sarah Ferguson's debts were paid off by Epstein? Didn't the daughters get money in their accounts?
If this isn't true, I'd be happy to be corrected, but otherwise... it stinks.

Slept?

You mean groomed, trafficked and raped?

This.

Don’t judge when you don’t know what really happened….no one does, only the people involved. You could be causing more damage to people that may well be innocent! This is the real problem with people like you speculating, spreading rumours that may not be true. I don’t normally write things but I’ve had enough!

What's to say Andrew ever actually told Epstein they could no longer be in touch, considering he lied about continued contact too?

It couldn't be more obvious that he'll say whatever suits at any given time, and to hell with his various victims of whatever stripe. All that seems to matter is him and maybe whoever's currently holding the purse strings, which is why I said there's reason enough to loathe him already even without any conviction