Page 25 | Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Muffinmam · 2025-04-26T06:14:14+00:00

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre? Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges. He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 27/04/2025 10:24

TheAmberLion · 27/04/2025 10:08

Don’t judge when you don’t know what really happened….no one does, only the people involved. You could be causing more damage to people that may well be innocent! This is the real problem with people like you speculating, spreading rumours that may not be true. I don’t normally write things but I’ve had enough!

youve had enough of people speculating, but not of tax payer money being used to pay off a victim of sexual abused?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/04/2025 10:34

I think it was claimed that the late Queen had used her own money to pay the settlement, @mummytoonetryingfortwo - not that I necessarily believe it when this is the same woman who tried to dip into a fund for the disadvantaged to pay palace heating bills

It doesn't have to be an either/or about the speculation and money spent though; it's perfectly possible to object to both

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 27/04/2025 10:36

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/04/2025 10:34

I think it was claimed that the late Queen had used her own money to pay the settlement, @mummytoonetryingfortwo - not that I necessarily believe it when this is the same woman who tried to dip into a fund for the disadvantaged to pay palace heating bills

It doesn't have to be an either/or about the speculation and money spent though; it's perfectly possible to object to both

Her “own money” all can be traced back to the tax payer in one way or another. I lost all respect for the royal family when they paid Virginia off.

TheAmberLion · 27/04/2025 10:36

You're another one that can't get your facts right. Maybe you should check your facts before you post. The money did not come from us tax payers!

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 10:36

@PuzzledandpissedoffThere really isn’t any of their own money - it’s all stolen
It’s said she paid out of Duchy of Lancaster funds - they don’t own that land . We do . They just rake in the profits and not enough of us are objecting to the rip off . This is the same Duchy that is charging the NHS , charities and schools ? William doing similar of course .
We paid
We pay for it all

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 27/04/2025 10:39

TheAmberLion · 27/04/2025 10:36

You're another one that can't get your facts right. Maybe you should check your facts before you post. The money did not come from us tax payers!

As the poster above you had said, this money came from the Duchy of Lancaster. Which generated its money by charging the NHS and schools rent. So yes. It did come from us.

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 10:39

@mummytoonetryingfortwo
Hi! I had the same thoughts as you ! I didn’t see your post in time .

There have been some foul posts on here victim blaming VG - straight out of the Windsor dirty PR handbook
I trust most intelligent readers can see those posts for what they are

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/04/2025 10:45

If the discussion's moving onto the Duchies there's also the question of why they're still in RF hands at all, considering they were supposed to cede all of the Crown Estate in return for the Civil List back in 1760

I believe the argument's that they were worth much less then so were hardly worth bothering about, but either way nobody's going to take them back now so as ever we're stuck paying for the lot

Extiainoiapeial · 27/04/2025 10:46

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 10:39

@mummytoonetryingfortwo
Hi! I had the same thoughts as you ! I didn’t see your post in time .

There have been some foul posts on here victim blaming VG - straight out of the Windsor dirty PR handbook
I trust most intelligent readers can see those posts for what they are

I am hoping that decent people can see those posts for what they are. Victim blaming. Straight up. And saying continually that they are just posting facts doesn't take away from that. Let's give Andrew the benefit of the doubt. But not do the same for victims of sex trafficking.

She was 17
She knew what she was doing
Where were her parents? (that is laughable to say that)
How come she didn't walk away? (sex trafficked individuals aren't chained up in a basement. It's all coercion, manipulation and empty promises of a better life)

MagdaLenor · 27/04/2025 10:47

Extiainoiapeial · 27/04/2025 10:46

I am hoping that decent people can see those posts for what they are. Victim blaming. Straight up. And saying continually that they are just posting facts doesn't take away from that. Let's give Andrew the benefit of the doubt. But not do the same for victims of sex trafficking.

She was 17
She knew what she was doing
Where were her parents? (that is laughable to say that)
How come she didn't walk away? (sex trafficked individuals aren't chained up in a basement. It's all coercion, manipulation and empty promises of a better life)

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MagdaLenor · 27/04/2025 10:48

VG was a victim, and hers is a tragic story of abuse and exploitation. Most of the men involved will never answer for their crimes, never lose their position or status. She was brave enough to find a voice and speak about it.
Such a sad story.

CathyorClaire · 27/04/2025 10:48

Extiainoiapeial · 26/04/2025 18:57

The actual facts are he mixed with a sex offender and trafficker even when he knew that person had been convicted, said he had cut all contact, when he hadn't and tried to make contact again way after when he said at the interview he had cut contact.
And he was regularly at the New York mansion and Epstein's Island.

Also worth noting he's on record as saying he didn't regret his friendship with Epstein because of the useful business contacts made.

Not a fact but I wonder how many of those went on to line his pockets with side deals and/or figure in the little black book he's been trying to flog?

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 10:55

The royals have continued to parade Andrew every chance they get .
He was in full regalia at the coronation. And no , Easter/ Christmas church is not a private family event - it’s another PR opportunity and photos are taken .
When bad publicity ( AKA the truth!) leaks out re the royals watch for the ‘Charles is thinking of cutting Andrew off’ articles . William will do the same - ie do nothing and protect Andrew but use him as bait to distract the unthinking when bad news needs suppressing

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 27/04/2025 11:09

@Puzzledandpissedoff What's to say Andrew ever actually told Epstein they could no longer be in touch, considering he lied about continued contact too?

From BBC news:
The Duke of York was in contact with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein longer than he had previously admitted, emails published in court documents appear to show.

"Keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon!!!!" said an email sent to Epstein from a "member of the British Royal Family", believed to be Prince Andrew.

The court documents, from the UK's Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), show the email as being sent in February 2011.
In his BBC Newsnight interview, Prince Andrew had said he had not seen or spoken to Epstein after going to his house in New York in December 2010, a meeting which he described as a "wrong decision".

CathyorClaire · 27/04/2025 11:09

The money did not come from us tax payers!

All royal money derives from tax payers whether directly or indirectly.

MagdaLenor · 27/04/2025 11:11

@Ukisgaslit I don't think they've "paraded" him. He went to his mother's funeral and his brother's coronation.
He went to church at Easter and Christmas.
I think he's lost any influence and status, lost his military positions, his place on the balcony, any kind of linked status. He has no credibility and no authority. Game over for him.

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 11:17

@MagdaLenor
Actually I’ve just remembered the queen made sure to be photographed with Andrew several times - that was a clear message to the public . This was when the first shock of tye scandal with still reverberating around the world .
As for the funeral - this was not your grandmothers funeral . If Andrew was truly contrite he could have waited in the church .
He didn’t.
He could wait in the church twice a year while the rest do the pap walk . He doesn’t . The royals allow this .
Andrew has also somehow gained a slush fund to pay for his mansion. Also allowed .
And Charles has found it in his heart to pay Andrew’s security bill .
Charles son is currently in court trying to to access security .
Andrew is supported by the Windsors .
It is possible of course that Andrew has threatened to sing - he knows the truth about the rest of them . It’s that or the Windsors see nothing wrong in Andrew’s close friendship with a pedophile .
Taie your pick

MagdaLenor · 27/04/2025 11:25

The security issue is very different. Charles pays for security on the royal estates, because they are private. He, Camilla and the PoW and PssoW get state funded additional security. Harry gets tax payer funded security for his needs whenever in the UK. Which is a good standard of protection, free of charge. His court case indicates that he wants extra, on the taxpayer.
So that's really a red herring.
I would be happy if I never set eyes on Andrew or his wife and daughters again. However, they're allowed to go to church.

Futurehappiness · 27/04/2025 11:27

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 10:36

@PuzzledandpissedoffThere really isn’t any of their own money - it’s all stolen
It’s said she paid out of Duchy of Lancaster funds - they don’t own that land . We do . They just rake in the profits and not enough of us are objecting to the rip off . This is the same Duchy that is charging the NHS , charities and schools ? William doing similar of course .
We paid
We pay for it all

This 100%. They claim to support charities whilst all the time taking money from them as well as other public organisations. And both William and K Charles are effectively slum landlords.

We don't know whether Prince Andrew is guilty of what he was accused of - but we know that he was friends with 2 sex traffickers. I think most people, if one of their friends was revealed as a sex trafficker, would drop them like a stone. Not PA, he went to stay with Epstein in New York after his conviction.

Much of the exploitation of young women was going on right under PA nose and yet he did nothing to help them. Either he was spectacularly dim or he just didn't care about them - certainly he did not express any empathy for them at all during his notorious interview.

And all this with the acquiescence - in fact outright support - of the RF; they have continued to flaunt their support of Andrew in our faces. The Royals have well and truly shown us what they are. How anyone can continue supporting them and making excuses for all of this is beyond me.

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 11:29

Futurehappiness · 27/04/2025 11:27

This 100%. They claim to support charities whilst all the time taking money from them as well as other public organisations. And both William and K Charles are effectively slum landlords.

We don't know whether Prince Andrew is guilty of what he was accused of - but we know that he was friends with 2 sex traffickers. I think most people, if one of their friends was revealed as a sex trafficker, would drop them like a stone. Not PA, he went to stay with Epstein in New York after his conviction.

Much of the exploitation of young women was going on right under PA nose and yet he did nothing to help them. Either he was spectacularly dim or he just didn't care about them - certainly he did not express any empathy for them at all during his notorious interview.

And all this with the acquiescence - in fact outright support - of the RF; they have continued to flaunt their support of Andrew in our faces. The Royals have well and truly shown us what they are. How anyone can continue supporting them and making excuses for all of this is beyond me.

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Yes to all of this

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/04/2025 11:40

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 27/04/2025 11:09

@Puzzledandpissedoff What's to say Andrew ever actually told Epstein they could no longer be in touch, considering he lied about continued contact too?

From BBC news:
The Duke of York was in contact with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein longer than he had previously admitted, emails published in court documents appear to show.

"Keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon!!!!" said an email sent to Epstein from a "member of the British Royal Family", believed to be Prince Andrew.

The court documents, from the UK's Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), show the email as being sent in February 2011.
In his BBC Newsnight interview, Prince Andrew had said he had not seen or spoken to Epstein after going to his house in New York in December 2010, a meeting which he described as a "wrong decision".

I know, AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta, and that's why I said what I did about whether Andrew ever "terminated" the relationship at all

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/04/2025 11:56

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 11:17

@MagdaLenor
Actually I’ve just remembered the queen made sure to be photographed with Andrew several times - that was a clear message to the public . This was when the first shock of tye scandal with still reverberating around the world .
As for the funeral - this was not your grandmothers funeral . If Andrew was truly contrite he could have waited in the church .
He didn’t.
He could wait in the church twice a year while the rest do the pap walk . He doesn’t . The royals allow this .
Andrew has also somehow gained a slush fund to pay for his mansion. Also allowed .
And Charles has found it in his heart to pay Andrew’s security bill .
Charles son is currently in court trying to to access security .
Andrew is supported by the Windsors .
It is possible of course that Andrew has threatened to sing - he knows the truth about the rest of them . It’s that or the Windsors see nothing wrong in Andrew’s close friendship with a pedophile .
Taie your pick

Very well put, UKisgaslit, but you forgot to mention that the Queen announced that her wretched son would be getting the Royal Grand Cross of the Victorian Order - the highest possible honour for service to the monarch - the very day after the notorious pap shots of him with Epstein in Central Park broke

"Two fingers" indeed

RosesAndHellebores · 27/04/2025 12:05

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 27/04/2025 11:09

@Puzzledandpissedoff What's to say Andrew ever actually told Epstein they could no longer be in touch, considering he lied about continued contact too?

From BBC news:
The Duke of York was in contact with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein longer than he had previously admitted, emails published in court documents appear to show.

"Keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon!!!!" said an email sent to Epstein from a "member of the British Royal Family", believed to be Prince Andrew.

The court documents, from the UK's Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), show the email as being sent in February 2011.
In his BBC Newsnight interview, Prince Andrew had said he had not seen or spoken to Epstein after going to his house in New York in December 2010, a meeting which he described as a "wrong decision".

But if an email was sent in 2011 then it is quite feasible that PA had not seen or spoken to Epstein since 2010. Sending an email does not equate to seeing or speaking with. Also PA may have sent it, is there definitive evidence it was him.

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 12:06

@RosesAndHellebores

Good god get off your knees !

Dis you read the content of the email? Andrew mentioned meeting up and ‘playing’ soon
Revolting

Ukisgaslit · 27/04/2025 12:16

Though the email does say ‘a member of the royal family’ - maybe Andrew isn’t alone in his admiration for Epstein ?