Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

I agree. Which is why I said she was not a woman but a child as she was 17.

I think that's a bit of an over-reaction. She must have slept with hundreds of men. I don't know why a single one is supposed to shoulder the blame!

What's your magic number then?

100%!

Virginia Guiffre accused Andrew of having sex with her knowing that she was trafficked. Savile has been accused of a multitude of sexual misdeeds, primarily the abuse of a massive number of young children. Hardly comparable.

I agree. I have never seen any evidence that what she alleged was true. Has anyone? All I have seen is that one photo which doesn’t prove anything.

there was evidence of savilles crimes

What's yours?

If PA was a sleazy, habitual, sexual abuser then you would think he would have 'form'???

The allegation you referred to was not pursued by the authorities. TBH I could give you a list of names of men who groped my breasts when I was 16/17! (They would get my knee swiftly in their balls now, but I'm not young any more!)

The allegation that has persisted has been settled. I am not aware of any others?

The provenance of the photo is questionable. Even if it was genuine, it does nothing to support the allegation that he had sex with her, nor the allegation that he knew she was trafficked.

So the photo was faked then? Where have I heard that before...oh yeah from Prince Andrew and his gang of cheerleaders who even in death cannot stop tearing into this woman.

What does it matter if the photo is genuine or fake? What does that in itself prove?

We don't know whether the photo was faked.

What's your problem with that? Or do you just want to not let facts get in the way of a good story?

I am neither a "cheerleader" nor am I "tearing into this woman"!!

If you think so, point these out to me?

I suppose it was to 'prove' that Andrew met Virginia, when he said that he had never met her.

There is doubt over whether it's genuine, and in any case, as you've rightly said, it wasn't evidence of anything else.

I don't have one, I'm not convinced either side is fully telling the truth but there is far to much murkyness swirling around for me to say there's not a grain of truth in there somewhere and PA has really not helped his own cause on that front.

You said VG was the only accuser, I've found another one but it's still not enough so I think we have our answer. And as for the dismissive "well everyone was being groped years ago. It was just the norm". Women deserved better then and now and particularly from a member of the ruling class.

To be strictly accurate, he didn't traffick her, nor has it ever been suggested that he did. I'm not sure why he, only he, and not the many others who had even more responsibility for the events of her youth, is the subject of this thread.

The last point refers to Victoria Hervey, I refuse to call her a lady who bangs on about doctored photos and is gleeful about the news of VGs death.

@mainecooncatonahottinroof We don't know whether the photo was faked.
What's your problem with that? Or do you just want to not let facts get in the way of a good story?

My problem (and I use that word loosely) is that the last photo I can remember being faked was the Loch Ness monster one. It's certainly not a common occurrence.

What's your issue with believing it's real? As you've already established I'm not very bright so please don't use any long words!

I don't know who is telling the truth or who is telling lies but I don't think either party is a particularly credible witness.

I don't know how you term my abuse as "dismissive" and you are supportive of someone else's allegations. Is the abuse I suffered less? Thanks for that.

Believe me I do NOT view it as dismissive. It read to me that you didn't view it as someone having their breasts groped by PA as a big deal because it happened all the time.

Apologies if that's not the case.

I don't have one. All I know is that doubt has been cast on its validity. I simply don't know whether it is real or not. Do you?

Someone with something to gain might very well fake a photo, but I have no idea. I don't think it's a 'gotcha' either way.

But who'd have something to gain by going to presumably a lot of trouble back then to Photoshop PA into a picture. He wasn't exactly a major VIP even in his own family.
Not being goady btw, just trying to make it make sense.

He said he couldn’t remember meeting her. Not the same as never meeting her. He meets tonnes of people and we have zero context as to how the photo was taken. I have no idea. I don’t know how anyone else does.

I was setting the context. Of course it's not the case. Do you think I was happy at 16/17 (and from a sheltered background) for sleazy older married men with children decided to help themselves to mine?

It was every kind of wrong but it happened more than some people might imagine. I was subjected to it in my Saturday job in a shop. I was trying to make the point that the police would be unlikely to act on an allegation of this nature.

He was a much bigger player back then! He was 2nd in line to the throne if I remember correctly!

VG was after a big payout so it's not beyond the bounds of reason for the photo not to be genuine? I'm not saying it's not. I am saying I don't know.

If so then it could have been triggered by any number of things. That doesn't mean what Prince Andrew did was not disgusting of course. Vile, vile man. I'm glad it's not him on the throne.

3rd I think after Chas and Willy.

Did she ever say she was after a big payout? I know she accepted one but she was also prepared to go to court.

I think the photo faking would have a lot more credit to it now with the rise of AI and whatnot but in 2001 when even the internet was so basic? Not that it matters as we all know Andy was at Pizza Express anyway!

I don't know for sure any more than anyone else whether the photo is fake; but I note that the main people suggesting this are the others in the picture, ie PA and Maxwell. And they kind of would. Others are convinced it is genuine.

What still makes me angry is that at the time Buckingham Palace denied the allegations against PA. In their words: 'It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation.'

So the representative of our Head of State effectively called VG - a trafficking victim - a liar in a public statement, presumably on the basis merely that PA said the accusations were untrue (because if they had unequivocal evidence of his innocence other than 'Pizza Express' and 'I don't sweat' they would have produced it). And this in the context of a lamentable conviction rate for sexual offences in this country where most offenders go unpunished.

I think that it is this more than anything, which has caused me to lose all respect for and faith in the Monarchy.