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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

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Muffinmam · 26/04/2025 07:14

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:10

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/04/2025 16:33

London's Metropolitan Police said they were not conducting any new investigations into Prince Andrew after a 2016 deposition accusing him of groping a woman's breast was released this week. The deposition was among hundreds of pages of mostly unredacted documents related to Jeffrey Epstein unsealed this week under the order of a judge in a now-settled defamation case brought by Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein's victims.

In the deposition, Johanna Sjoberg alleges she was groped by Prince Andrew in 2001, when she was 21. The allegation is not new, and BBC News reports Buckingham Palace previously called her allegations "categorically untrue."

Sjoberg says she met Andrew when she was brought to Epstein's home in New York in 2001 by Ghislaine Maxwell. Virginia Giuffre, whose lawsuit accusing Prince Andrew of sexual abuse was settled out of court in 2022, was also at the house at the time.

Sjoberg said she initially didn't know who the British royal was, until Maxwell took her to get a caricature puppet of him from a BBC show. Then, she said, she sat on Andrew's lap, while Giuffre sat beside him on the couch with the puppet in her own lap. The group took a photo with the Prince Andrew puppet groping Giuffre's breast, and Andrew himself groping Sjoberg's.

In an excerpted transcript from a deposition of Maxwell released among the documents unsealed this week, she seemingly confirmed the existence of the puppet — which she called "Not a puppet. I don't know how you would describe it. A caricature of Prince Andrew that was in Jeffrey's home." When asked about the incident Sjoberg described, she said, "I don't recollect. I recollect the puppet but I don't recollect anything around the puppet," before saying again it was a "characterization of Andrew."

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I've heard that before but wouldn't you think there would be more?

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:12

ThatLimeCat · 26/04/2025 16:35

He's a pig of a man and will rot in hell alongside Epstein. That poor woman had her life destroyed.

He wasn't the one who destroyed it.

And what about all the others? There must have been a lot of them. Why haven't they ever been investigated?

queenofthesuburbs · 26/04/2025 19:13

whippy1981 · 26/04/2025 18:55

She was not a woman. She was a child. She was 17.

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Yes but not a child in the sense of him being a paedophile. The age of consent is 16 in the UK.

For what it's worth I think he did sleep with her but didn't question it/remember specifically because he was sleeping around with so many young women who wanted it on their tick list that they'd slept with a royal.

I don't condone this sort of behaviour, but I don't think whether she was 17 or 18 makes much difference. She was a "young woman" and he assumed she wanted to because he had such a big ego.

But that doesn't make him a paedophile.

Extiainoiapeial · 26/04/2025 19:13

@Chipsahoy

Yes, it can destroy people
💐 To you

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:13

Extiainoiapeial · 26/04/2025 16:45

So the pictures in the paper with a closed eye cuts and bruises all over her face was just make up was it?
I find it very distasteful but you are talking like this about someone who has literally just committed suicide

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It was proven that no such incident happened!!

afig · 26/04/2025 19:14

I think that because of his actions decades ago, he bears some of the blame for her poor mental health even as an adult, so yes, that counts as blood on his hands, imo. He won't have been the only factor in her tragic life, but he certainly didn't help matters!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:21

BlueSpikeyPearls · 26/04/2025 16:58

People don´t just take their life because their life suddenly got hard. Taking your own life is a last resort. You would only do it because you gave up hope.

Can I be a 100% certain that only reason she felt like she couldn't living? No, there might have been contributing factors, but I am 99% certain that without this trauma, other problems would be a lot easier to handle.

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You really don't know why she did it. It most likely was not for any single reason. Her personal life appears to have been very troubled recently and I don't think speculation is helpful.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:24

JandamiHash · 26/04/2025 17:03

Dramatic to want a sex offender to be accountable for his actions? Ok.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to “go after” people who’ve raped you without proof? Men are denying they never even knew Epstein. Virginia had a photograph however which made things much easier

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You have no evidence that he is in fact a sex offender. He has been accused of being one, and he has denied it. Those are the facts.

The provenance of the photo is questionable. Even if it was genuine, it does nothing to support the allegation that he had sex with her, nor the allegation that he knew she was trafficked.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:28

JandamiHash · 26/04/2025 17:05

But this isn’t employment law, it’s a v rich member of the RF vs the woman he so obviously raped. He likely settled because he was guilty and made a huge fuck up of coming across as the world’s biggest liar on TV when asked about it

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Settlements work in exactly the same way in employment law as they do in civil law. Same principle.

I don't think even VG accused PA of rape?! How do you know "he so obviously raped her"? That's utterly ridiculous. You don't know what happened!

You simply can't extrapolate guilt from a settlement. You just hate the man and want him to be guilty and that is not the same thing!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:30

JandamiHash · 26/04/2025 17:07

DH thinks it could be dodgy, in the way Epstein’s “suicide” was dodgy.

Oh well I'm sure your DH must be right! Some kind of expert is he?

FFS! Hilarious.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/04/2025 19:30

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:06

What makes me sick is all of the allegations being dressed up as fact. I've a huge problem with people doing that - I can't abide injustice.

Andrew's behaviour has been a disgrace, that he even associated with Epstein is reprehensible, and for that alone he deserves to have essentially lost his job.

However, the only 'facts' are that VG accused him of sleeping with her (I don't believe she said he raped her?) and PA denied it. She then accused him of sleeping with her knowing that she had been trafficked. We don't know what the veracity is of this. That's it.

We don't know who Andrew associated with other than Maxwell and Epstein.

Literally nobody supports Andrew, other than perhaps family or friends. Some of us just happen to believe that truth and justice apply to both participants in this legal action.

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Beautifully put, mainecooncatonahottinroof, and perhaps the real irony here is that Andrew doesn't even need to have done the various things he's accused of for us to (rightly) call him repulsive

Just the things which are known about are quite enough for that ...

whippy1981 · 26/04/2025 19:32

queenofthesuburbs · 26/04/2025 19:13

Yes but not a child in the sense of him being a paedophile. The age of consent is 16 in the UK.

For what it's worth I think he did sleep with her but didn't question it/remember specifically because he was sleeping around with so many young women who wanted it on their tick list that they'd slept with a royal.

I don't condone this sort of behaviour, but I don't think whether she was 17 or 18 makes much difference. She was a "young woman" and he assumed she wanted to because he had such a big ego.

But that doesn't make him a paedophile.

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She was still a child not a woman which was the comment made that I corrected.

The age of consent is 16 but if you cannot say no then yes isn't giving consent no matter what age you are over 16.

I never said he was a paedophile. Not sure where you got that from. I said she was a child and that he had sex with a child.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:33

LipglossAlly · 26/04/2025 17:20

Another dodgy "suicide". Another very "convenient" death.
Poor woman, trafficked whilst under age to men old enough to be her father.

This is all very dodgy and sad. Yes, the traumatic experience of her being trafficked to these disgusting pigs who have not really faced consequences was probably a contributing factor to her pain and ultimately her suicide.

No PA will not be held accountable( His security is being paid for by Charles and still lives in a Royal residence. Not being able to do "royal duties"/ photo ops does not equal being seriously held accountable, especially when it comes to sleeping with a trafficked minor).

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Jesus, how can you sit there and write that crap?? What reason could the RF have for wanting rid of VG now? They will know that her death will stir the whole shit up all over again and the evidence is right here in some of the most hysterical posts!

Why should PA be held accountable? She accepted his money in settlement. That was her choice. Charles no longer provides Andrew with security. Maybe at least get the basics right!

I knew it was only a matter of time until the ridiculous conspiracy theories started up and fuck me, I can't stand that!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:34

JustSawJohnny · 26/04/2025 17:27

And the reason those cases have been brought to our attention is why?

Because they usually face the consequences of their actions.

If Trump was a black man he would be in jail now. He certainly wouldn't be President.

Being a racist, rapist, wife beater, thief, even murderer is something that can be paid away if you're a rich white man.

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Jail is exactly where Trump should be. At least he was convicted as a criminal in a court of law.

Futurehappiness · 26/04/2025 19:36

Nominative · 26/04/2025 18:59

He isn't attending public events in a public capacity or representing the royal family.

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He is appearing alongside members of the family at high profile events and being seen in public. I don't believe the RF aren't aware that this will be seen as a show of their support for him.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:36

Futurehappiness · 26/04/2025 18:25

Most 'ordinary' families don't claim to represent their country, and these are public events that Andrew is attending; so it is very very different. It is not as though the RF don't have form for ruthlessly distancing family members when they want to.

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Andrew was not "representing" anyone. He was attending a private church service with his family. Not a public event!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:38

BobbyBiscuits · 26/04/2025 18:41

Well I stand by what I think about him. And that his wife is an arsehole.

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Says more about you tbh.

Futurehappiness · 26/04/2025 19:44

This thread is a depressing read. The amount of victim blaming towards vulnerable young girls makes me realise how little things have changed since the Profumo affair, which also led to scandal and suicide and implicated Royals (who were protected at that time too). I recall how the then teenage Christine Keeler was dragged through the mud and never really recovered from it. Whereas Profumo himself - even though he admitted sleeping with Keeler - got a CBE after a few years of 'rehabilitation'.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:46

Extiainoiapeial · 26/04/2025 18:54

Personally I think loyalty is an admirable quality in a person, and presumably they believe that he is innocent of the accusation. Maybe he is? Think about that for just a second in the midst of all the hysterical derision?

I am sure Andrew is very grateful for you sticking up for him. You OBVIOUSLY don't believe he slept with Virginia because you have said this sort of thing many times on this forum

So, Andrew wasn't even at Epstein's mansion or island? Despite the fact it is proven he was there and there is footage of him. And flight logs of him on the Lolita Express.

Call it hysterical if you like. My thoughts are with Virginia Guiffrie's family and all the survivors of what Epstein and Maxwell put those girls through. There are many accounts out there. You ought to read them. They are heartbreaking.

Nothing OBVIOUS about it. I have NEVER said here or anywhere else that I don't believe he slept with Virginia. You can't even get that fact right! What I have said is, I don't know whether he slept with Virginia or not, and in fact, neither do you!

Neither am I "sticking up for him" - that's just ridiculous. I like to "stick up" for facts in these situations and not make shit up to suit my agenda!!!!

Who ever said that "Andrew wasn't even at Epstein's mansion or island? Despite the fact it is proven he was there and there is footage of him. And flight logs of him on the Lolita Express"??? NOBODY. Just something else you made up in your head.

I know that Andrew had a friendship with Epstein and Maxwell. I know that he visited them and spent time with them. These things have been proven. Whether or not he slept with Virginia has not been proven. Why do you have such a problematic relationship with facts???

I don't need you to instruct me on what I should read. I can decide that all by myself.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:48

Tomatotater · 26/04/2025 18:54

Agree. I think he just didnt notice, or if he did, he simply didn't care enough about these young girls to even think it enough for him not to engage with Epstein, or be his friend. Its very sad for the girls that they were seen as staff to people like Andrew- there to service these disgusting men's every need- fill up my drink, sex, all the same thing. I suspect the reason he has had his name dragged into this when others haven't is because others did wrong and knew they were sleazy bastards that had done something that needed many layers of covering up, whereas Andrew just thought being a Royal Prince was enough, and he was entitled to do what he liked, so didn't even bother. He must have had close protection officers who either couldn't care less either or couldn't stop him.

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I think this is a very good point. Women like Virginia were probably invisible to him.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:49

whippy1981 · 26/04/2025 18:55

She was not a woman. She was a child. She was 17.

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The law says she was a child until the age of 18.

Whooowhooohoo · 26/04/2025 19:50

Andrew & Jimmy Saville …. Both creeps who have avoided prosecution

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:51

Whooowhooohoo · 26/04/2025 19:50

Andrew & Jimmy Saville …. Both creeps who have avoided prosecution

I don't think there were any allegations about Andrew of a nature that equated him to the evil Savile!!!!!! God almighty!!!

CantStopMoving · 26/04/2025 19:52

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:51

I don't think there were any allegations about Andrew of a nature that equated him to the evil Savile!!!!!! God almighty!!!

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I actually don’t know what the allegations about prince Andrew actually were. I only know he was friends with someone who was very unpleasant ( to put it mildly ) and he ‘may’ have had sex with someone who young but legal. What else is is supposed to have done?

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 26/04/2025 19:53

JustSawJohnny · 26/04/2025 19:01

He was at the coronation.

I have no interest in when and where these people go to church 🙄

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Well you posted about it, so...😂