Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

Yes. I'm reminded of how the parents of Michael Jackson's alleged victims let them sleep over at his house.

That's absolute crap. Settlements of this type are common!

It would probably have cost more to fight than to run it, plus God only knows who else he would have had to implicate, plus the Queen was ill and frail and it was her Platinum Jubilee so they didn't want a court case distracting from that. It was the eminently sensible thing to do. He couldn't prove he didn't do it and she couldn't prove that he did!

Her family have made a statement saying it was suicide.

I would not trust anything from the Daily Mail. They are now having a field day, by way of a change. I am going to wait and see what comes out now, especially if her husband has anything to say.

I don't seem to be able to get 'Surviving Jeffrey Epstein' here in the UK.

What a horrible post! Whatever he has or hasn't done, his ex-wife and daughters supporting him does not make them "arseholes"!!!!

Personally I think loyalty is an admirable quality in a person, and presumably they believe that he is innocent of the accusation. Maybe he is? Think about that for just a second in the midst of all the hysterical derision?

I wonder what reading all of the hate towards him does to his mental health?

Well I stand by what I think about him. And that his wife is an arsehole.

The Jubilee celebrations would only have been part of the decision.

A settlement is not "immoral". They are common in law!!

Church on Easter Sunday was not a "state event".

Well they were not caused by a car accident.

This thread is a cesspit with people hysterically making shit up that they don't know anything about!!

Could people maybe work with facts instead of making accusations they have no foundation for?

There are NO apologists here - just some of us have more regard for truth and facts than others. There are some disgraceful posts on this thread!

Andrew is universally condemned and for good reason but we will probably never know whether he slept with VG nor whether (if he did) he knew she was trafficked. All the accusations in the world will not change that!!

I wonder if her death will lead to any information emerging?

They're about as rational as he is then!

Personally I think loyalty is an admirable quality in a person, and presumably they believe that he is innocent of the accusation. Maybe he is? Think about that for just a second in the midst of all the hysterical derision?

I am sure Andrew is very grateful for you sticking up for him. You OBVIOUSLY don't believe he slept with Virginia because you have said this sort of thing many times on this forum

So, Andrew wasn't even at Epstein's mansion or island? Despite the fact it is proven he was there and there is footage of him. And flight logs of him on the Lolita Express.

Call it hysterical if you like. My thoughts are with Virginia Guiffrie's family and all the survivors of what Epstein and Maxwell put those girls through. There are many accounts out there. You ought to read them. They are heartbreaking.

Agree. I think he just didnt notice, or if he did, he simply didn't care enough about these young girls to even think it enough for him not to engage with Epstein, or be his friend. Its very sad for the girls that they were seen as staff to people like Andrew- there to service these disgusting men's every need- fill up my drink, sex, all the same thing. I suspect the reason he has had his name dragged into this when others haven't is because others did wrong and knew they were sleazy bastards that had done something that needed many layers of covering up, whereas Andrew just thought being a Royal Prince was enough, and he was entitled to do what he liked, so didn't even bother. He must have had close protection officers who either couldn't care less either or couldn't stop him.

I don't think anyone is "supporting" him but some of us prefer to stick to the actual facts.

She was not a woman. She was a child. She was 17.

Given that her husband had a no-contact order in place, that could certainly be interesting.

The actual facts are he mixed with a sex offender and trafficker even when he knew that person had been convicted, said he had cut all contact, when he hadn't and tried to make contact again way after when he said at the interview he had cut contact.
And he was regularly at the New York mansion and Epstein's Island.

You're welcome.

He isn't attending public events in a public capacity or representing the royal family.

Poor woman. I’d imagine legal battles and media attention made it so she could never heal. I was groomed as a teen and abused by men. It went on for years.
One of the other girls is now dead. Another is in an awful abusive marriage. Another is a drug addict. I was fortunate.
I am safe now and free. I have children and a lovely husband and a home. Still, I have weekly therapy and have done for over a decade. I am not working and have all but withdrawn from “normal” life. We live remotely and I stay home a lot of the time. Because that kinda shit is a deep wound that never ever completely goes away. And I’d imagine her wound stayed open and became infected the more media and legal battles continued. Worse still for her with an awful early childhood too.

He was at the coronation.

I have no interest in when and where these people go to church 🙄

You can't possibly know that. Lots of people commit suicide and most of them have not been abused.

Maybe splitting up with her husband and her children not wanting anything to do with her had more to do with it. Her husband had a restraining order against her so there was obviously more going on than we know

It is not as though the RF don't have form for ruthlessly distancing family members when they want to

Actually that's a very fair point, @Futurehappiness, though perhaps those it's happened to haven't been privy to quite so much the RF would rather wasn't revealed?

And while I didn't know it had been reporrted that there was no NDA attached to Virginia's payout, @myrtleWilson, I honestly find that very surprising if it's true

What makes me sick is all of the allegations being dressed up as fact. I've a huge problem with people doing that - I can't abide injustice.

Andrew's behaviour has been a disgrace, that he even associated with Epstein is reprehensible, and for that alone he deserves to have essentially lost his job.

However, the only 'facts' are that VG accused him of sleeping with her (I don't believe she said he raped her?) and PA denied it. She then accused him of sleeping with her knowing that she had been trafficked. We don't know what the veracity is of this. That's it.

We don't know who Andrew associated with other than Maxwell and Epstein.

Literally nobody supports Andrew, other than perhaps family or friends. Some of us just happen to believe that truth and justice apply to both participants in this legal action.

Which was a religious ceremony rather closely involving his brother. He wasn't there by virtue of any sort of official status.