Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

I think we have to remember that these young girls that were procured by Maxwell were very vulnerable. They were living on trailer parks, they had parents who were drug addicts, a couple of them had been homeless apparently. They were picked up and groomed in Malls, outside schools, as long as they looked young enough they were fine for Epstein. They were promised training as masseuses, modelling contracts, anything to get them onside and malleable

Not all parents are responsible. Some would have just wanted the money. I think we need to remember, there are some shit awful parents out there

Yes, I think VG was brought in by Ghislaine Maxwell and taught to massage.
At the time I think VG's father worked at Mar A Largo.

Also at the time Andrew had so much choice in terms of women eager to sleep with him. He wasn't that desperate that the only available option was someone who was trafficked; in fact I think that would have hurt his ego.

I think he was so completely self absorbed that he didn't actually give it a moment's thought

People don´t just take their life because their life suddenly got hard. Taking your own life is a last resort. You would only do it because you gave up hope.

Can I be a 100% certain that only reason she felt like she couldn't living? No, there might have been contributing factors, but I am 99% certain that without this trauma, other problems would be a lot easier to handle.

🎶Oh the Grand Old Duke of York,
He had 12 million quid,
He gave it to someone he never met,
For something he never did.🎶

It's a bit like offering drugs before the envelope is passed over. "If I refuse will I still get the dosh"
Can't you just hear that slimy pair saying "We have someone here Andrew, she's been longing to meet you." Click, click goes the camera ensuring future security against the cash.
I despise people like Andrew and his wife, always hustling for money. It's grubby.

Dramatic to want a sex offender to be accountable for his actions? Ok.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to “go after” people who’ve raped you without proof? Men are denying they never even knew Epstein. Virginia had a photograph however which made things much easier

But this isn’t employment law, it’s a v rich member of the RF vs the woman he so obviously raped. He likely settled because he was guilty and made a huge fuck up of coming across as the world’s biggest liar on TV when asked about it

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

The BBC have reported that she was sexually abused at the age of 7. Even if Andrew did what she accused him of she had clearly already been set on a tragic course, so I'm not sure why you're homing in on him. Unless you've got an unhealthy Prince Andrew fixation.

I cannot bear the odious moron, but he wasn't a paedophile. VG was over the age of consent and was a fully developed woman (physically at least).

Sadly, very sadly, I think PA genuinely can't remember having sex with her because she would have just been one of many pretty, but anonymous young women provided for his amusement.

Knowing what a hugely conceited oaf that he is, he probably genuinely believed these young women were thrilled to have sex with a real, actual prince of the realm.

I think PA was completely speaking the truth when he admitted that he 'just didn't notice people like that' i.e. VG. He'd spent his life being serviced and pandered to buy an endless stream of faceless enablers. She was just one among hundreds.

It's the casual callousness that is heartbreaking.

DH thinks it could be dodgy, in the way Epstein’s “suicide” was dodgy.

Another dodgy "suicide". Another very "convenient" death.
Poor woman, trafficked whilst under age to men old enough to be her father.

This is all very dodgy and sad. Yes, the traumatic experience of her being trafficked to these disgusting pigs who have not really faced consequences was probably a contributing factor to her pain and ultimately her suicide.

No PA will not be held accountable( His security is being paid for by Charles and still lives in a Royal residence. Not being able to do "royal duties"/ photo ops does not equal being seriously held accountable, especially when it comes to sleeping with a trafficked minor).

It was reported at the time that there wasn't an NDA attached to the settlement between both parties.

And the reason those cases have been brought to our attention is why?

Because they usually face the consequences of their actions.

If Trump was a black man he would be in jail now. He certainly wouldn't be President.

Being a racist, rapist, wife beater, thief, even murderer is something that can be paid away if you're a rich white man.

Something I did think at the time, was that Andrew was badly advised.
How many men ask proof of a woman's age, her CV and life story before sleeping with her?
He also may have known what the horrible twosome were up to of course.

The documentary seemed to suggest that parents were groomed to a degree, also. Lots of lies and manipulation and parents being blinded by the wealth and status of Epstein and Maxwell. No different to the parents who allowed their kids to sleep in the bedroom of Michael Jackson etc.

People who make excuses for this kind of coercive behaviour really are the lowest of the low.

If I didn't have a dog to walk, I'd write you a long list of rich, white famous men who've been convicted of crimes in the UK.
As for "facing the consequences of their actions", it's difficult not to when there's video evidence of the crime.

You're joking.

On a thread that is linked to Jeffrey Epstien, you claim "Being a racist, rapist, wife beater, thief, even murderer is something that can be paid away if you're a rich white man."

Remind me, what happened to Jeffery?

Well it is his name.

Me too. Petty name calling, her name is Sarah Ferguson.

Most 'ordinary' families don't claim to represent their country, and these are public events that Andrew is attending; so it is very very different. It is not as though the RF don't have form for ruthlessly distancing family members when they want to.

He was a working royal (and I don't know why I can't get rid of the underline!

Bullshit.

The documentary series Surviving Jeffrey Epstein demonstrates very well how and why the victims were sucked in to Epstein and Maxwell's world and why they felt powerless to leave, even if they weren't actually locked up. Many of the girls and young women had mothers who were in prison or on drugs and absent fathers. Another similarity was that many of them had already been abused as younger children, as Virginia was. There was no adult to stand up for them, and the two abusers were as rich and powerful as it's possible to be. They threatened Virginia with harming her little brother and they said they basically owned the Palm Beach police. As some lawyers in the documentary series said, these were people you didn't want to cross. For young, alone, disadvantaged girls in their teens, Epstein and Maxwell would have been impossible to stand up to, especially after all the grooming.

I am so, so sorry for Virginia, that after all her fighting, her life has ended this way.

I believe her about Prince Andrew, too. The Mail on Sunday ran an article with a photographer who had met with Virginia in 2011. He had seen and photographed the original of that snap of PA and Virginia together, and photographed the back of it. It had a time/date/location stamp fitting her US-UK movements.

So yes, I believe her, and I think Prince Andrew bears some of the blame for being one of the many abusers that Virginia suffered in her life.

When I found out more about her life story and that of other victims via the documentary, I thanked God for my parents and the life I had. Some young people have no one who cares about them.