Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

So he had sex with a child and that is ok with you?

Yes, Tomatotater, and if memory serves it was long after that when Charles accompanied him on some ridiculous tented stargazing jaunt to the Kalahari, doubtless cooing over his Jungian ramblings and cementing his position as another elderly "spiritual adviser"

As a parent - never mind a Queen - would you tolerate your son going camping with such a man?

‘rape’ 🙄

Andrew Tate can sleep well tonight, knowing he doesn’t need to work so hard at ‘spreading the word’—so many on MN are happy to do it for him.

I suppose it depends on whether or not a person believes that VG was telling the truth about PA. I believe that she was and that she spent the evening with him, but I have no idea if he knew she was trafficked which is what her civil case was based on.

I suppose for the protection of the monarchy and the amount of revenue that the Jubilee would have made, plus the fear of what Prince Andrew could have been asked in court, for those at the top justice for victims wasn't important at all.

The daughters are demonstrably supportive. Always pictured with him. They had unsuccessfully lobbied both Charles and William for him to be brought back in, to some extent, and retain certain lost privileges.
They obviously believe him.

I was a ginger woman in my youth. Please don't do that.

The British police found no grounds to prosecute the Duke of York. I am sorry Ms Guiffre died but it is not Andrew's fault. He met her when she was 17 and he was c.42 (a not unusual age gap, men frequently marry women very much younger than themselves) and they had consensual sex on a couple of occasions. He's a sleaze ball and his mother must have despaired of him. I think Ms Guiffre was both victim and perpetrator of abuse (also a not unusual thing) and I am sorry for her. She monetized her abuse, which I am also fine with, but I also suspect that the mental toll such a view of how she had been used also made her miserable. Let her rest in peace but don't blame Andrew without blaming also Epstein, Clinton, Trump etc who also used her as a thing and the society we live in which allows such abuse to happen and makes it look 'normal'.

The law is nothing to do with the legal age of consent when it comes to trafficked women.

She was 17 at the time which is legal in the UK, whatever people think about it morally.

Well no, but it would still need to have been proved that Andrew both did what he's been accused of and knew that she'd been trafficked, and unfortunately Virginia's acceptance of the payoff ended the legal case

And now with her death we'll never know ...

Oh yes indeed and there's plenty of other murky stuff. The RF are riddled with it and I'm talking recent history.

For years, she named that greasy lawyer guy, but retracted and said she made a mistake about him, he was very vocal about refuting her claims and that she was lying, he was adamant he would take it all the way through the courts, which would have meant her having to use the settlement from PA to fund it. I think he said something to the effect he would take every cent of her payoff from PA, he said PA was a fool for settling.

She was never called as a witness in the GM trial, as it was felt she wasn’t a reliable witness.

The RF were used to pay offs with NDA’s to bury bad stuff, but in PA case it only made things worse.

Yes you're being unreasonable. I think it was the current husband problems and not seeing her children, that tipped her over the edge.
Andrew is a pompous self-entitled git, but I don't believe he went to Epstein's looking for sex. His weakness is money, that's why he was there. Epstein had already given Andrew's wife a hefty sum.
Andrew was likely offered sex while there so could hardly offend his benefactor by refusing. Epstein and Maxwell were a warped pair, I think they would have got a kick out of it.

Virginia Giuffre must have been a strong woman to have fought the case. I can so empathise with her, having her children turned against her. No money can compensate for that.

Which is still legally a child. You become an adult at 18. So you support sex with children?

Andrew hasn’t been accused of rape or trafficking though?

Yes, men frequently marry women when they are younger, but usually at a later point in their lives, and not when a girl is in her mid teens. In this instance she was 17 year old, barely a woman, whilst he was 42 years old. Not good in any way.

I seem to remember reading years ago that there was a long and detailed file of undisclosed evidence lodged with Virginia's legal team,presumably in readiness for any future court case. I would expect that the 12 million or so pay off would be conditioned by a non disclosure order, most likely a lifetime one.
I wonder what,if anything,will be revealed now Virginia is no longer with us. A very sad end indeed.

she is paying for her crimes.

In a manner of speaking, yes. Many of us who have been abused consider ourselves very lucky to be alive. I used to feel suicidal almost every day as an 8 year old. Imagine a child experiencing that.

For someone like him that's probably worse than prison.

Living in a overcrowded jail with criminals , rats and roaches, yeah, I bet most inmates in his majesty's jails would agree with you, as opposed to a Grade II listed, 30-room mansion with over 90 acres of land. The poor man...

It is over the age of consent so not illegal.

i am a survivor of sexual abuse by two family members and sexual violence on two separate occasions from two different strangers and there have been times where the only way I felt I could manage the fear, the shame and the way it makes you feel like an object, a piece of meat, a nothing has taken me to some very dark places. There is no linear process that you follow and then come out at the end restored to the person you were or might have been before it all happened. I have a diagnosis of CPSTD which I manage well thanks to therapy and a good support system. My heart hurts for Virginia and while I was shocked to learn of her suicide I was not surprised and I have some idea albiet in a small way of the pain she could not longer live with.

And is still sex with a minor. It is only illegal if that person doesn't consent or if you are in a position of power such as a teacher.

Saying it is fine to have sex with a child because it is legal is still immoral.

Consent is the other issue in question which wasn't what I was discussing. Anyone who has sex with someone who is forced to say yes and cannot say no is illegal.

I was talking about the age. The age of him having sex with a child. He did have sex with a child.

Andrew was likely offered sex while there so could hardly offend his benefactor by refusing.

Is that you Sarah?

Oh my god, I saw her interviewed on the Lorraine show about her romance novels, and she kept saying what an honourable man he is!