Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

I'm not sure you understand the specific circumstances here. She herself has said she was free to leave whenever she wanted, (which she did when she met her husband). She also claims she was paid £10k to have sex with him. She was groomed to think it was OK to accept money to sleep with high profile people. She gave her consent in return for money. The crime here is the grooming of a vulnerable person, there is no indication she didn't give consent.

”I can well believe Andrew to be arrogant, entitled, not very bright, a poor judge of character, too easily flattered but I do not believe he would have sex with anyone without consent. No-one in his position, with years of being in the public eye, and of the gutter press, would be that stupid.”

@Meadowfinch

Lots of people like him have raped women. They think their fame etc make them untouchable.

She was trafficked. Trafficking vitiates consent.

He's a piece of shit.

I really feel for her kids and family. They've watched her go through decades of pain all for it to end so awfully.

Christ, I hate him. That he has the brass neck to roll his useless ass out for state events is an embarrassment to us all.

Karma needs to do better at coming for rich, white men.

Fuck him and all of the toady royalists who excuse his behaviour.

You are unreasonable and I certainly don't think he will now feel he has 'got away with it', on the contrary it will stir the business up again.

He may or may not have slept with Virginia Giuffre, we don't know, however so did many others and she was paid an awful lot of money many years later. She married and had children.

It is tragic that she took her own life but there must have been reasons for that; she was estranged from her children.

It's possible her husband knows quite a lot, no doubt the gutter press will do their utmost to prize information out of him. So far he's been pretty quiet.

I suppose it depends on whether or not a person believes that VG was telling the truth about PA. I believe that she was and that she spent the evening with him, but I have no idea if he knew she was trafficked which is what her civil case was based on

@2dogsandabudgie I think that's why it should have been allowed to continue, so that this could be investigated and concluded.

Not at all but there needs to be proof, that's the law. How do you suggest the law should deal with allegations? Assume that a woman is always telling the truth?

Most do have proof but the quota prevents them from getting to court.

Not being charged means nothing at all. Rape is basically legal in this country with only 3% even getting to court.

She actually had to runaway from Epstein to be with her husband.

Trafficked slaves often still get paid…

This thread is a cesspit.

She was sexually trafficked at 17 years old. A child in the eyes of the law.

Gods, so many apologists.

The age of consent in America where he first met her is 18yrs..

I see.

Well LVH can say whatever she wants privately, and she can say whatever she wants publicly too, it's a free country.

But it comes across as incredibly crass, haughty, and removed from reality. I think if she felt pushed into making a seemingly supportive statement to show she was onside with PA, there were lesser cruel ways of saying it. Many on this thread support him whilst still acknowledging that what has happened is unfortunate. That said, I can imagine the social pressures on one are hard at that level of society and maybe I myself would be desperately denying that PA was anything but a true gent if I had had the misfortune to date him.

Cant defame the dead so expect a lot of negative stories leaked from the palace and Andrew is worming his way back into the core royals.

Disgusting. 'Better class' yeah right. She's a very ambassador for her class.

I would expect that the 12 million or so pay off would be conditioned by a non disclosure order, most likely a lifetime one

Well the trade envoy details have been sealed for Andrew's lifetime, so why not?

Typical RF ... deflect, spin, lie, and if that's not enough cover the whole thing up

I think she had a hell of a lot more on her plate than Prince Andrew. I think that's an ignorant and simplistic stance to take. It has never been proven one way or the other if he slept with her or not, and she must have slept with a fuckton of men other than him anyway. Where is the opprobrium towards them? Why have they all got away with it scot free while he has carried the can?

There was clearly something difficult going on in her personal life too.

And she became very wealthy thanks to him as well.

I have no time for Andrew but you cannot fairly lay this at his door!

"Lizard"??? What a deeply foolish insult!

I think it's the David Icke conspiracy theory, isn't it. Some people believe it 🙄

It is normal actually. That's the nature of legal settlements.

Pot kettle.

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We don't know whether Andrew had sex with her. He seems creepy and maybe he did. As it was never proved in court it's down to personal belief. But I don't think all this can be laid solely at his door. He was the high profile one she chose to sue. But Epstein is the bigger villain, along with Maxwell. Epstein was the one who trafficked her. And there were many other wealthy powerful men who were part of the abuse.

I'm not defending Andrew, he was friends with Epstein and must have known what he was. That was stupid to the point of negligence. But Virginia's trauma isn't only from Andrew. It goes much further. And I think sometimes these threads can read as though if it wasn't for Andrew she'd have been fine.

You clearly have no understanding of how legal settlements come about!

YABU to write in a style that makes The Sun sound sedate and level headed.