Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

Agree!

I'm not a fan. But until all the Epstien/Giuffre stuff he was just another rich entitled man who had a bit of an off feeling about him. Virginia's allegations made him a parahiah- rightly. I wasn't for one moment suggesting 'poor Andrew' more finding comfort in my view that he hasn't just walked away from it with no consequences.

But there is no age of consent for sex trafficking victims - they don't consent at any point, that's what sex trafficking is! Are you suggesting it's legal to have sex with an over 18 victim of sex trafficking? Of course not because that's ridiculous.

While yes, there are some very real issues with Andrew's status, you are muddying these waters by talking about an age of consent for people who don't give any consent full stop. In the UK the age of consent is 16, that's just how it is and you got that figure wrong.

Why is Andrew always portrayed as the biggest villain in this woman's story?
He certainly wasn't

Dramatic much.

She was a minor. So I said nothing untrue. Furthermore, Mumsnet is not legally responsible for what people post on the site. They have a vested interest in keep things civil, but if I put something illegal on the site, I would be on the hook, not Mumsnet.

Stop saying untrue things, just because you are a fan of this royal family.

So she hasn't lied then by your reckoning?

@HelenWheels

on my word.
just get over abuse eh? Forget the pain, physically and mentally. It doesn’t affect your thinking, functioning, trust.
You have no idea, do you?
I cannot for the life of me understand why you would make such a comment.

She was trafficked by Epstein and ‘given’ to his friends, like that abject excuse of a human being, there was no consent involved, you do understand that?

She wasn't a minor she was trafficked

Are you completely devoid of humanity or just trying to be goady? Either way, your comments are appalling.

That doesn't really make sense to me. If they were all convinced of his innocence it would have made more sense to let it go to court rather than pay millions. That's how our justice system works unless you have a very rich mum clearly

Without a doubt, yes - but then the RF have access to the kind of information and advice most could never dream off and STILL carry on enabling these wretches

Hence why I mentioned Charles's activities, including one where his own correspondence showed he was well aware of the controversy involved yet still carried on, only later trying to mew that he "hadn't understood"

I'd say the whole thing beggars belief, except where the RF are concerned it's all too believable

I don't think it was suicide. She posted before her death that she was not suicidal.

You're unreasonable @Muffinmam for linking to the shit-stirring Mail. You've just sent more clicks their way.

Good eh?

What do you hope to achieve by your thread?

The poor woman was used by men all her adult life. The worst being the lawyers and journalists who encouraged her to lie or exaggerate the truth.

The poor woman was caught in a lie and knew it cast doubt on everything else she had said.

I have no doubt it was suicide. Her family had turned against her and she was in despair.

But Andrew - if he did sleep with her - was a very minor player in her tragedy.

Andrew is scum and should be barred from the RF. And just exiled to live in a bedsit in somewhere remote and cold. He can only claim basic benefits of about £70 a week. Or he has to work in a hard labour camp.

I don't understand why they still allow him to events etc. his wife and kids are arseholes for protecting him as well.

This. We have no idea of what went on in this poor child's life. Andrew was not the only player but the only one who she named. Wonder why that was? Where the others far more dangerous to name? Andrew is particularly thick and had the RF to bail him out, so quite an easy target.

I hope she finds some peace and also the people she left behind

If they were all convinced of his innocence it would have made more sense to let it go to court rather than pay millions

I agree that's how it looks to a layperson, @Zonder, but this has all been explained before by people much better versed in these matters, and for Andrew at least it seemed to concern what else might have been dragged out in court if he'd appeared, how long it would have gone on bearing in mind the upcoming jubilee, and how appealing a nice payout - which doesn't involve any admission of guilt - would have been in the circumstances

Overall I'm not even sure what difference a conviction would have made to his image when we're already aware he was happy to go along with a convicted paedophile and lie about their continued connection, to say nothing of all the rest.
There are only so many times we can say the man's a complete skunk, and most already know that anyway

I think Andrew has done irreparable damage to the royal family and if they have any sense at all, they should banish him and not be allow him to sidle back in.

I am glad that at least William and Kate seem to be maintaining a bit of a distance.

Think her marriage broke down. Sad for her family.

I was coming on to say very similar-

I am not a fan of Andrew.
Spoiled, petulant, entitled and expected everything on a silver platter.
Zero accountability.

His upbringing did him no favours and he enjoyed the private jets and extravagant lifestyle that rich friends provided in exchange for the cache of entertaining a Prince.

Having said all that he was not the brightest bulb on the string.
Of course he should be accountable for his actions but I feel like he is a very small fish in this sordid pond.

I am continually amazed that so many high powered politicians/Presidents and very very rich men have remained scot free.
Ghislaine Maxwell in jail-rightly so-but what about the countless men who were there? The flight manifests make interesting reading but no one is ever charged? The whole thing stinks.

And re Epstein's "suicide" it's such a coincidence that the cameras/monitoring system went down when it happened isn't it?

Age of consent doesn’t apply to women who have been trafficked.

I think Andrew has done irreparable damage to the royal family and if they have any sense at all, they should banish him and not be allow him to sidle back in

It's possible they can't afford to risk banishing someone who's been around so long and will know so much, @StScholastica, but never underestimate the RF's ability to protect themselves

As they'll have learned from long experience many of the public are fickle, and all it takes is a "Look over there!!" story and maybe a few pics of Catherine in a nice frock for many to stampede to the next thing, conveniently forgetting the bigger picture

They have been happy to be seen driving him around on at least 2 occasions. They haven't 'distanced' themselves at all.

Exactly MI5 and others will provide amazing intelligence if required to the RF about any potential embarrasements that third parties might bring one can only assume they don't care and continue these relationships regardless.

I agree. The average person is not surrounded by advisors and security. They do not have their every contact vetted to death. the Royals do. They have a vast staff dedicated to their PR. Probably more than likely, they get 'advice' then don't take it, because they think they know better. They don't accept that they are actually pretty clueless, poor judges of character and are prone to flattery from people trying to manipulate them. That's not necessarily their fault, but it is the fault of the system of Monarchy, where ordinary people are never tested or challenged in any way, they can have anything they want and are never told 'no' from an early age, surrounded by sycophants and forelock tuggers, desperate to please them.