Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

No, it was definitely Andrew, both him and George Michael were heartthrobs.

But you are right about Koo Stark,forgot about that relationship, he had to break up with her because of her actress past.

Very tragic and I agree the morally Andrew should have been stripped of his Duke of York title -but that may have been hard for the family to do since my understanding is the case against him wasn’t strong enough for him to be legally convicted of anything (as is sadly the case in many rape accusations).

However as awful as he and his pals were to exploit a teenage girl, I’m not sure this whole tragedy can be laid at Andrew’s door - my understanding is that she having more recent problems with her own family (apparently estranged from her husband and children). Imo that would be the more likely reason she sadly decided to do this now.

It would be very hard to guess how much what happened to her in her past may still have influenced her present state of mind - she was strong enough to be one of the few to speak against Epstein and his cohorts, helped get him and Maxwell jailed and “won” a substantial amount of money out of court from Andrew. So that would suggest that there were more recent issues in her life that led to this tragedy.

Perhaps not, but when he was accused of sex abuse by having sex with a woman who'd been trafficked, he* preferred to pay her off to make the allegations go away.

*and he had to do it with his mummy's money, as he's never managed to earn his own living since he stopped flying helicopters

Where is your irrefutable evidence of this? We’d all like to know,

This is the first I've heard about her suicide. I think I was only reading the other week that she thought she was going to die from a car accident.
That family have a lot of blood on their hands.

You know abhorrent abusers and traffickers like Epstein prey on troubled young girls.
They “know” which girls to target. Her story would be a long sad one before Andrew appeared. It doesn’t absolve him of guilt, by a long shot. But he will not be the only one responsible for how she felt about herself, she will have had years of being made to feel worthless but countless people who should have protected her.

I think he paid her off but politically and personally couldn’t accept liability. I think she killed herself because she had been abused in the past, and never really recovered from it. I think he is definitely liable but also Maxwell and Epstein are, and anyone else they encouraged to abuse her.

As I said on here, it was the year of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee so they wouldn't have wanted a court case to spoil that. Also the Queen was very elderly and ill at the time, so VG would have felt under pressure to settle out of Court.

I don't think Prince Andrew would have made the final decision on that. Imagine if he had to go to America and answer questions on what he knew. I would imagine there were so many other important people involved who would be worried about what came out.

His breakfast will be sticking in his throat this morning…

I wonder how this will play out for him - will he be able to push it into the past now this lady can no longer speak out, or will it forever hound him? 🤔

I bet he will try and brazen it out and try and squirm back into the RF, grasping for money, keeping hold of the house etc? He cannot read the room, so probably!

This poor, poor lady…what a sad ending to so many years of misery for her.

There will be soul-searching for many today.

On a side issue, I don't think the (late) Queen paid the £12m for him - my understanding was that it was a bridging loan until that Swiss chalet sold.

Tbf if you’re downplaying sex trafficking of a teenager you probably should feel ashamed of yourself.

Nothing much it would seem….

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Poor Virginia.

For the sycophantic Andrew apologists insisting he did nothing wrong I will repeat this catchy dirty:

Ooh the grand old Duke of York,
he had 12 million quid,
he gave it to someone he never met
for something he never did.

Even though he escaped justice because of the power and wealth of his family, the vast majority of Brits hold him in scorn and contempt, rightly so.

True, but he's still living in a very privileged and gilded cage when he should probably be locked up.

Re 'the family' wasn't she in and out of care from and early age?

What happened with her parents that that was necessary?

I saw her father posting on SM recently after the whole "4 days to live" thing but I've not seen anything from/any reference to her mother, is she still in the picture/alive?

Your post is really annoying, why Andrew.Why not Epstein and Maxwell ? What about all the other men?

Andrew has never been charged, others have, they are the ones who bear responsibility

Locked up for what though? In her memoirs VG said that she was paid £10,000 by Epstein for the evening with Prince Andrew. He didn't force himself on her if you read her account of that evening. He would only have committed an offence if he knew she was trafficked and there's no way to prove he was aware of that, it's her word against his.

He deserved to lose his 'job' purely on the grounds of his shady business practices and associates even prior to the horrific SA allegations against him.
Why do you think the Trade Envoy records have been sealed until he and we are long gone?

He's always been considered buffoonish and vile so hasn't really lost anything else other than the right to trot along with the rest on official occasions and he manages to sidestep even that unonerous requirement regularly.

I look forward to PA having his day in court for that case. Bring it on - besides it's not defamation if it's true.

He will no doubt be happy that his 'tormentor' can no longer take any sort of legal action against him. He cared little for the "little people" in his life , probably regards many of them with contempt I don't think he will have changed now. The Sun seems to think he may be coming back.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/34561526/prince-andrew-return-working-royal-easter-service-public/

I despise all the royal family, and have no interest in their affairs generally - but this post is hysterical. There is no evidence that he was involved in trafficking. There is evidence that she met him (a photograph), but there is no evidence of anything beyond that. So this entire thread, including the OP's comments are "misinformation repeated by hundreds of people with low IQ's repeating it thinking it's true" - to quote the OP. The entire thread is made up of disinformation - on every "side", because not one person here knows what happened at all. But lets not let any facts get in the way of spreading misinformation.

Well Mumsnet should really pack up their bags and delete itself from the internet - bad Court of Law it isn't !

Maybe paedophiles and sex offenders befriend the Royal family, deliberately, for the ultimate cover and protection. Sexual predators are the ultimate groomers after all.