Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

[Muffinmam]

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has faced zero consequences for his role in Virginia Giuffre‘s sexual abuse and trafficking because he’s rich and his powerful mummy paid off the victim and the British police failed to pursue charges against him. To be clear, while the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old this does not apply to trafficking victims and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has never faced criminal charges.

He probably thinks he’s got away with it now she’s gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649791/Virginia-Giuffre-suicide-perth-mansion.html

You're of course entitled to your opinion.

But you are imo - and this is national societal thing - suffering from this perception people have about what women and girls who go through sexual trauma and deserve sympathy should look like:

So if you go through sexual abuse and still emerge able to present yourself in society in a 'psycho-social positive' way then people will tend not only to believe you more, but have great sympathy for you.

But of course damage inflicted on a person in childhood tends to cause long lasting changes in the brain

So if you go through that experience but do not emerge able to still function in a psycho social positive way, but actually only in a psycho-social negative way...if you are overtly promiscuous, self-harming, alcoholic, drug taking, serial lying, vindictive, thieving, attention seeking, mistreat your kids, are selfish and have a 'me first' protectionist attitude - and I know women like this, and they're not nice people, they're people you avoid - you receive little to no sympathy.

It's natural, but it's wrong. We need to not couple and attach our value judgement on what they went through on how they are now presenting. They're victims twice over.

Fwiw I don't think I'd personally have wanted VG as a friend. But she didn't deserve what happened to her and she deserves all the sympathy accorded anyone else who suffers similarly and 'Bad things happen to innocent and formerly nice people, who as a result become 'bad' and 'not nice' people' and that is a double tragedy.

I think the Australian media had embarrassed her recently leading to mental anguish. She was portrayed as a nutter who said she was dying in 4 days following a car crash which lead to more stories of being estranged from
husband and kids and photos of her house/s in the news. Mocking her over her car accident death as a result of injuries prediction. Very sad to hear she took her own life.

Why did Andrew not help either uk police or the FBI if he was innocent ? He’d hasn’t helped one iota.
He’d have plenty of protection in place .
He vowed to do so in his BBC interview
He didn’t .

If the police wanted to hoik Andrew in for an interview they are free to do so. You don't get to choose whether you get arrested or interviewed or not.

I think the Australian media had embarrassed her recently leading to mental anguish. She was portrayed as a nutter who said she was dying in 4 days following a car crash which lead to more stories of being estranged from
husband and kids and photos of her house/s in the news. Mocking her over her car accident death as a result of injuries prediction. Very sad to hear she took her own life.

The media hate Andrew. News of the world had pages written about him that they couldn’t legally print and they wanted to punish him. I’m very cynical about anything the tabloids print about him being very deliberate.

@GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples I had to Google it to make sure I hadn't imagined it but by god it's worse than I remembered.

All the money and titles in the world certainly doesn't buy compassion or basic human decency. And these people are meant to be the "better" class.

Victoria reposted the photograph, accompanied by the song The Final Countdown and with the word "KARMA" across the image.

"If Virginia Giuffre really does have days to live, then a complete confession is needed," she wrote.

"I don't believe it though. The FBI are on her right now and arrest warrants are incoming: she's conveniently dying to evade jail."

Victoria did not offer evidence the Federal Bureau of Investigation was investigating Virginia.

"She has a lot to answer for," Victoria, who dated Andrew in 1999, went on.

"I call this divine judgement by God. People say karma has a way of catching up, don't they? What goes around comes around."

Maybe her marriage breaking down was a reason, maybe being estranged from her children was a reason, maybe facing court was a reason, maybe the embarrassment of her claims about the accident being challenged by the police was a reason, maybe being trafficked was a reason but wasn't it the dead American guy who trafficked her?

I don't suppose we will ever know.

I’ve asked for my post above to be removed

That poor young woman, what a sad life.
So let down.
Her 3 poor children carrying this trauma into the next generation.

Odious Andrew is the company he keeps.
His whole family share his shame by protecting him.
How the decent members among them, of which there may be a few can be around him is beyond me.
Completely amoral.

No he doesn’t. What a ridiculous suggestion

@SnoozingFox

You are wrong to state that the police can take Andrew in for questioning
The police cannot enter royal grounds without permission from the queen / king
The queen didn’t give it .
Remember Andrew being chased around the country by the FBI trying to serve papers ? He stayed in royal grounds . The queen’s skirts as I said above

As for the rest of us yes of course the law applies .
Not to Windsors

Actually. No it isn’t.

But he can't clear his name. There is no evidence to say he did or didn't do it. The result would almost certainly have been innocent due to insufficient evidence. But along the way, lawyers would have trailed over and publicised every private matter of Andrew, probably dragging his family and friends into it too. He had a choice of paying millions on top lawyers and having years of this being dragged through courts or just close it down with money. It's a no brainer and doesn't make him any more guilty or innocent.

I think it’s more nuanced than a simple it’s Andrew’s fault. Obviously her past had an impact on her mental health long term. However, with the recent RTA and the bizarre “I have 4 days to live” after that; I understand that she had quite vitriolic online bullying and that has to have an a massive impact on her.
tbh people writing shit on line about other people should be fucking ashamed of themselves and think about what they are doing and the possible impact.

I'd imagine it was the culmination of a lifetime of very difficult circumstances and can never be attributed to just one factor.

Has it crossed your mind that the family continue to publicly support him because they actually know the truth. You and I don't know whether he has done anything wrong. But he knows the truth and presumably his family does. I think the fact that the family continue to support him is a sign that perhaps he hasn't done anything wrong.

I do not believe he would have sex with anyone without consent. No-one in his position, with years of being in the public eye, and of the gutter press, would be that stupid

Yes, powerful men have never been known to take advantage of women and girls.

I have to stop reading this thread. The utter bollocks being thrown about by the fawning subjects is sickening. Just ask yourself, if it was your 17 year old daughter, would you be quibbling about the legal definition of things, or time passed, or innocent until proven guilty when the actual Queen paid off the victim in order to protect her criminal son.

The current King and the future King has given Andrew their full support but people will still be horrified by Meghan Markle making her own money while waving their Union Jacks for a family that hold the country in contempt and will do anything to protect their own status and wealth.

My take on it is that Andrew is so pompous and so arrogant that the genuinely believed that women would be honoured to sleep with him and that it couldn't be anything other than consensual.

Have I missed him being found guilty in a court of his peers as per British Law? Or was it only trial by media? As I don’t remember the guilty verdict but may be mistaken.

All this talk of Andrew never being charged is a red herring ( and yes I share your disgust @sofiamofia )

The queen was head of the Church of England .The judiciary /army/ parliament swear allegiance to the monarch .

How have the Windsors responded to this privilege ?
They’ve used it as a shield to hide their crimes . The queen and Charles are culpable too.
We’ve had long moving posts here are the life long effects of sexual abuse .
Charles as head of state and of the COE is showing us that doing the moral thing ( complying with the law and having Andrew supply information ) is a principle which only applies to the little people

Killed by her own hand and choice.

wow!

I know. Some foul posts on here

You should get this removed, it is libel. There has never been any suggestion by anyone, including VG, that he is a paedophile. You're on very dangerous ground here and putting Mumsnet at risk too.