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To think just don’t offer them beige food?

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Ashlll · 25/04/2025 15:23

Or am I spectacularly uneducated here? My sister has a 3 year old who apparently will only eat beige food and mostly crisps. She says it’s a sensory thing and we have to respect it when around him, for example when I took him and dd out last week I had to give him quavers rather than the snacks I had got for dd… which then made dd want quavers too! Same with water, he won’t drink it and it has to be juice.

I am not massively strict but did say to dsis just don’t buy these things then he won’t know he can ask for them… she says he just won’t eat or drink. I think this is ridiculous (I’ve not said this to her). AIBU?!?

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Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 21:35

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 25/04/2025 20:34

Have you not read any of the distressing and difficult situations so many posters have shared??

I’m not denying they are distressing and difficult.

That doesn’t mean they’re not self-created.

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 21:37

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/04/2025 21:34

Well you wouldn't would you?

Of the ones that didn't die as a result of malnutrition/starvation, the ones that survived are hardly likely to discuss it, having almost certainly been brought up to think they were fussy, awkward or defective in some way.

But they’re not fussy now. They grew out of it. So it isn’t ‘ARFID’ - it’s being a fussy eater as a child.

Goldengirl123 · 25/04/2025 21:38

Halle bloody julia. This really gets on my nerves. If they are hungry they will eat it. I absolutely do not agree with pandering around kids with food. This is what I am cooking….done. Bloody ridiculous

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/04/2025 21:39

... have you missed the number of people who are adults who still have ARFID - im 45! I haven't grown out of it yet. there are others on here much much more senior than I... who also haven't miraculously grown out of it either!

Hagl3y · 25/04/2025 21:42

Goldengirl123 · 25/04/2025 21:38

Halle bloody julia. This really gets on my nerves. If they are hungry they will eat it. I absolutely do not agree with pandering around kids with food. This is what I am cooking….done. Bloody ridiculous

Did that. Didn’t work .

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 21:42

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/04/2025 21:39

... have you missed the number of people who are adults who still have ARFID - im 45! I haven't grown out of it yet. there are others on here much much more senior than I... who also haven't miraculously grown out of it either!

I understand it can feel better to give it a name as a ‘disorder’ rather than just a preference/fussiness. It’s validating.

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/04/2025 21:43

Goldengirl123 · 25/04/2025 21:38

Halle bloody julia. This really gets on my nerves. If they are hungry they will eat it. I absolutely do not agree with pandering around kids with food. This is what I am cooking….done. Bloody ridiculous

Gosh if only someone had thought of that... you utter genius you.

Or you could read the multiple accounts from adults who suffered this sort of parenting, who have ARFID, and still do.

Im one of them, my mother was exactly as you say - no pandering, no beige food, no snacks, no sugar - heres dinner, eat it or go without. And if you refuse to eat it but complain you're still hungry you get it served up over and over until you do eat it.

How far will you go @Goldengirl123 Keep putting the same plate of drying up aging food out in front of a kid?

Yell at them for gagging and retching?

Hold their nose and shovel it down?

Slap them for spitting it out?

Leave them without food for days on end?

I'd love to know where you draw the line.

LovePeriodProperty · 25/04/2025 21:43

Dymaxion · 25/04/2025 21:23

This is something I have always wondered about, babies drink milk for the first six months, after that if they never see any beige, how can they prefer beige food?
Absolutely not judging, my oldest was raised on a diet of Sunny D and chocolate frogs, but if a child never see's a crisp or any other sort of beige how would they know to only be able to eat those things ?

I’m going to be completely shot down for this but I wonder
i have no idea

if the food we eat whilst breastfeeding affects a child’s future eating habits. We do know the flavours of what we eat come through our Brest milk so perhaps there’s a clue there.

I wonder if there’s ever been any research in this area. ?
It would be Interesting if anyone on here knows of an actual research piece.

??

Awishcometrue · 25/04/2025 21:44

Hagl3y · 25/04/2025 21:33

Yep my dry beige will eat mango, broccoli florets if not mushy and raw carrots but that’s it.

Mine will only eat the head off broccoli ...and the other pretends to like carrots because her sister eats them but physically gags when tasting...so sod everyone who thinks they can 'programme' a child into eating anything x

snackatack · 25/04/2025 21:47

Most food pickiness starts as a boundary test - they 'push it away' to see what happens

LovePeriodProperty · 25/04/2025 21:48

Awishcometrue · 25/04/2025 21:44

Mine will only eat the head off broccoli ...and the other pretends to like carrots because her sister eats them but physically gags when tasting...so sod everyone who thinks they can 'programme' a child into eating anything x

That’s a kid that doesn’t like carrots though it’s not an Eating Disorder
I didn’t like mushrooms or yoghurt or cheese when i was little, that’s not an eating disorder though. I was just a kid that didn’t like those foods.
Thats it

fedup1212 · 25/04/2025 21:49

Goldengirl123 · 25/04/2025 21:38

Halle bloody julia. This really gets on my nerves. If they are hungry they will eat it. I absolutely do not agree with pandering around kids with food. This is what I am cooking….done. Bloody ridiculous

sorry can’t get past Halle bloody Julia 😂

fedup1212 · 25/04/2025 21:50

Goldengirl123 · 25/04/2025 21:38

Halle bloody julia. This really gets on my nerves. If they are hungry they will eat it. I absolutely do not agree with pandering around kids with food. This is what I am cooking….done. Bloody ridiculous

This is tiresome.. Because every parent likes cooking different meals don’t they?

ofc MN know better than the professionals. Confused

Arfidisathing · 25/04/2025 21:51

LovePeriodProperty · 25/04/2025 21:43

I’m going to be completely shot down for this but I wonder
i have no idea

if the food we eat whilst breastfeeding affects a child’s future eating habits. We do know the flavours of what we eat come through our Brest milk so perhaps there’s a clue there.

I wonder if there’s ever been any research in this area. ?
It would be Interesting if anyone on here knows of an actual research piece.

??

Well it would be fantastic to have research that blamed mothers even more for all the ills of their children wouldn't it 🙄. In my case I eat and continued through pregnancy to eat a very varied and healthy diet. I took all the vitamins I was supposed to take. I obviously didn't smoke or drink alcohol. I ate fruit and veg and curries and fish and chicken and salad. Then I ate all of those things whilst breastfeeding. Then I offered my child all of these things whilst weaning. Then my child ate all of those things. Then my child stopped and only ate the plain things like pasta, rice, bread and chicken. But unlike so many other people on this thread....I am not the whole world and have a sociological imagination that means I can imagine that there may be studies out there that support (or not) your hypothesis.

NotSafeInTaxis · 25/04/2025 21:55

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 21:30

It’s not ignorance. It’s my opinion and experience.

Have you ever met a 70-year-old who says “Oh yeah, I had to be fed through a tube as a child because I just wouldn’t eat anything” or “I would only eat XYZ as a child”? In fact, have you ever met adults over a certain age who are like this about food?

I know I haven’t. I’ve met a few people in their forties who were very fussy eaters as children (and are now perfectly fine).

Yet now it seems any child who’s fussy is labelled with ARFID.

How many 70 year olds are you chatting to about their toddler eating habits? How many 70 year olds will tell you about their sibling that went into an institution, and one of their issues was not eating properly?
Cop on yourself on.

Ellepff · 25/04/2025 21:58

Fairyliz · 25/04/2025 16:01

Can anyone explain where Arfid came from?
I was a child in the 60’s and we all ate what we were given mainly because we were starving by meal times.
My DD with asd has always eaten a healthy diet because that is what she was offered.
So how/why have these conditions developed?

My aunt had it in the 60s! I don’t know what she ate at school, but by the 80s at home she ate ham sandwiches on soft white bread, chips at home or out (most but not all places) crisps more of the time if out. I think she ate scouse and I know she ate roasts (just the meat and potatoes, no icky bits of the meat). Coke, jammy dodger, her own home made cake. Sausage and chips. Even as kids we knew she didn’t eat much and that was fine. Her food was stodgy and beige. When she visited us in Canada it was hard work to find foods she liked as even the bread and ham are different. None of her meals look wildly abnormal but the restriction over the day add up.

I have nephews with ARFID. Both eat some homemade food like above, but may not eat the same food prepared by someone other than mum. Out of the house it’s easier if they eat pizza and nuggets and packaged snacks. Yes my kids want that junk too and yes it means my kids got exposed to it sooner and eat more of it than I want them too. So we try to serve the main meal before the pizza so that for other kids the pizza is an add on treat and they eat a real Christmas dinner first. We also aren’t going to have a family member go hungry on a holiday (my grandma would have let my aunt go hungry though! At least she made sure there were things to eat other days.

Blobbitymacblob · 25/04/2025 21:59

I’m on the fence on this issue. My autistic ds is extraordinarily sensitive to taste and texture - he’d make a great wine connoisseur* because he can articulate it so well.

I started off preparing fresh, organic foods from scratch and blw. But he eliminated food groups when he was exposed to sweeter or highly processed food.
One example was that he was eating homemade brown bread with ham or cheese until he was given that bread with jam and refused to touch it with ham and cheese after that. When he tasted a white bread roll he stopped eating brown bread, and while out at a restaurant he had a couple of chips off someone’s plate, and then refused potato in any other form.

The pattern was obvious in retrospect, but not so clear at the time. And often the alternatives were treats from relatives who were quick to disregard my concerns as uptightness. I do think that if he hadn’t discovered these alternatives his diet would be cleaner. But probably would still be highly restricted, with a preference for safely predictable and repeatable sensations. There’s family history of that. One of my uncles only ate hard boiled egg yolks - never the white - and smooth mashed potatoes for dinner for a year .

A lot of beige convenience food is designed to be addictive, and to disrupt our eating patterns. But dc like mine are particularly susceptible. I think upfs definitely exacerbate an already difficult situation. I wish chicken nuggets didn’t exist.

It’s hard to convey the depth of resistance - most toddlers have to be cajoled through fussy stages but with ARFID it’s on a whole other level.

And then it all got so much worse during the school years when his stress levels skyrocketed and he needed home to be a safe haven. Meals aren’t just about nutrition, but also about comfort, and connection. There are only so many fronts you can battle on. Add in the need to provide a school lunch that he can and will eat in the stressful environment of a classroom.

With most dc, you can have a treat or eat these things on a particular day. But for us, if it existed, it became difficult to accept any alternative. And “he’ll eat when he’s hungry” is just not true.

We were lucky that we were able to expand the range of acceptable foods at a crucial stage, and develop an effective strategy to combat neophobia. But there is precious little competent help available. As a teen I’m managing to expand things a little by replacing some upfs with homemade alternatives. And I think we’ve done a pretty good job in being open minded and accepting of his needs so that he isn’t always defensive.

*editing to add that he doesn’t drink wine before I get flamed for that. But if he did he could probably identify every tiny detail.

HollyBerryz · 25/04/2025 21:59

IHate · 25/04/2025 18:13

What I don’t get is why they’re offered the crappy food in the first place. He’s three. Why does he even know crisps exist?

The list of safe foods is whittled down from what they’re offered. If they hadn’t ever been offered beige, they wouldn’t cling to beige.

Beige doesn't automatically mean ultra processed. My ARFID diagnosed child eats mashed potatoes, Yorkshire puddings and pizza (homemade). All beige, non junk. Yes he does also eat chicken nuggets, he also eats grapes and he can't even be in the same room as a crisp.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 25/04/2025 22:02

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 20:24

I find it strange that when people have ARFID it’s always that they’ll only eat beige/processed food.

It’s never “ Oh he has sensory issues and will only eat broccoli and red peppers”

Hm.

And?

HollyBerryz · 25/04/2025 22:04

LovePeriodProperty · 25/04/2025 21:43

I’m going to be completely shot down for this but I wonder
i have no idea

if the food we eat whilst breastfeeding affects a child’s future eating habits. We do know the flavours of what we eat come through our Brest milk so perhaps there’s a clue there.

I wonder if there’s ever been any research in this area. ?
It would be Interesting if anyone on here knows of an actual research piece.

??

I heard all the ARFID kids were actually formula fed. Formulas just made up of processed chicken nuggets really you see.

godmum56 · 25/04/2025 22:05

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 21:37

But they’re not fussy now. They grew out of it. So it isn’t ‘ARFID’ - it’s being a fussy eater as a child.

No they don't grow out of it, adults can control what they eat and won't eat so it becomes less obvious. If I told you what I would and would not eat, you'd think I am a fussy adult and there have already been posts on here from adults with ARFID.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 25/04/2025 22:07

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 20:31

Yeah, I think I do if I’m honest. Fifty years ago children did not have these issues - whether they were neurodiverse or not.

I wonder whether BLW is a factor. Something certainly is, as it isn’t so much of a problem in other cultures and it wasn’t a problem years ago.

My DD is AuDHD by the way. She is fussier than the others for sure, but it hasn’t been enabled and she has always been given a wide variety of foods.

I know I’ll get slated for this as it’s a controversial opinion but it’s a hill I’ll die on.

Well it's a silly hill to die on and you just look ignorant.

I had eating issues 60 years ago! Another poster said the same who is in her early 70s. It just didn't have a label. You are quite wrong!

As for "she hasn't been enabled" - well done you! She quite clearly doesn't have the level of food issues others have described.

Have you read any of the thread at all?!

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/04/2025 22:11

HollyBerryz · 25/04/2025 22:04

I heard all the ARFID kids were actually formula fed. Formulas just made up of processed chicken nuggets really you see.

Yup, that must be it ... My mum was eating nowt but chicken nuggets (did they exist in 1980?).. and having chicken nugget based formula plumbed through her boobs to feed me on.

That answers so many questions!!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 25/04/2025 22:12

LillyPJ · 25/04/2025 20:52

It's an undeniable fact that a child brought up in a society where there are no such things as Honey Nut Cornflakes or Monster Munch will not refuse to eat until they get some.

You show zero understanding of the condition.

Riaanna · 25/04/2025 22:16

Jacarandill · 25/04/2025 21:35

I’m not denying they are distressing and difficult.

That doesn’t mean they’re not self-created.

Self created how? It’s interesting because my daughter’s eating got worse when she started nursery, and again at school. She wouldn’t eat anything at all at school until given separate room without unsafe foods. Her issues escalated significantly. She doesn’t eat junk food. Ever. No sweets. Chocolate. Cake. No sugar. No vegetables. Fruit. Hot food. Cold food. No ice cream. No squash. No fizzy drinks.

Her diet is limited to a handful of foods. All beige. All carb. Crunch. Savoury. Plus prescribed meal replacements. She’s had therapy. She’s been hospitalised. And remained medicated.

Meanwhile I eat a varied balanced diet. Along with her dad. And brother. He dislikes foods based on preference. Not arfid patterns. I dislike foods for the same reasons. Think I love a green bean. Hate olives. He loves broccoli. Hates cauliflower.

Explain to me how this is self created? What do you think we did to cause this?

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