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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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steff13 · 25/04/2025 13:09

Now I'm thinking this is a wind-up, because you made that whole list and didn't account for the number of breaths you took during the day. 😒

It's 7:55am here. I woke up at 7:00am. This is my day so far:
7:00 opened eyes, turned off alarm, put feet on the floor, stood up
7:01 selected clothes for the day
7:02 opened the bedroom door, greeted cats who were waiting outside door lest I forget they have not yet been fed today, walked to bathroom
7:03 peed
7:05 washed hands, undressed, turned on shower, stepped into shower, washed and shaved
7:10 stepped out of shower, dried body, applied deodorant and body lotion, dressed in previously selected clothes, gathered dirty laundry from bathroom
7:15 walked down the hall to the kitchen, dropped dirty clothes basket downstairs to be washed, made coffee, fed and watered cats, emptied dishwasher, refilled dishwasher, started dishwasher, filled water bottle, took morning prescriptions (Synthroid and Vyvanse), weighed myself, watered kitchen plants, emptied kitchen trash can
7:23 walked downstairs, took dirty laundry to laundry room, put it in the washer, started the washer, sat down at desk to work
7:30 logged on to computer to begin working

When I write it all down like that it feels like a lot but this was literally the first 30 minutes of the day.

MonsteraDelicious · 25/04/2025 13:09

ShoalShark · 25/04/2025 08:09

I actually laughed out loud that you’ve included sniffing flowers in your list.

Perhaps your issue is priorities? In a typical day you apparently clean off tops or laundry machines but don’t wash dishes for four days? I can’t really understand how you can be bleaching bins and cleaning the tops of your white goods on a daily basis yet your house is such a state that your DH is embarrassed about his professional
reputation (noting that you didn’t disagree with this assessment but just countered with the fact that their opinions wouldn’t affect him professionally).

I also wonder if you’re easily distracted? Things like cleaning out the lint filter - maybe it’s different in wherever you live (Australia?) but for me that’s taking the little trap out and grabbing the lint. It takes about ten seconds including the walk to the bin. Quite a large amount of things on your list should take about ten seconds. Perhaps for the next list we can get a time breakdown too.

If this is serious and it’s genuinely a struggle may I suggest breaking down your time by room? Literally with a timetable? I won’t include days you have toddler as it is hard work with a toddler but on the non work days maybe like:

7-8am - hygiene and breakfast for both of you
8am to 9am - everything involving animals
9:00 - 10:00 - Kitchen - spend an hour cleaning the kitchen, prioritising dirt and food waste (so dishes. bins etc)
10 - 10:-15- cup of tea break
10.15 - 10.30 - put clothes in washer and lint empty
10.30 - 11:45 - the many garden activities
12.00 - 12:15 - put clothes in dryer
12.15 - 13.00 - lunch break
13.00 - 14:00 - all the deliveries
14.00 - 15.00 - tidy and clean bedrooms

etc etc

Ive hopefully left some hours free to slot in the driving around and admin tasks. If each day you alternate which rooms you focus on tidying (presumably garden doesn’t need every single day?) the hopefully you can get on top of it. I also think an hour is generous for some rooms eg my bedroom just needs the sides wiping and hoovering which takes about ten mins. Add another ten mins to change bed.

As I write this I wonder if you just simply live in a gigantic house? In the UK I expect most people have a kitchen, living room, 1-2 bathrooms, 2-3 bedrooms and maybe either a study or dining room. If your house is massive are the other rooms actually getting used much? Can you maybe contain the mess just to a few rooms? is there eg better storage options for your toddlers toys?

And I know you’re going to take this next one as sarcasm but it’s genuinely not. If there’s such an emphasis on staying fit and active, can you try and literally clean faster? Running around tidying rather than plodding around? Go as fast as you can so it’s a bit more tiring? I think if you pick up the pace enough it should feel like hard work.

I had the same thought re: your routine. It stressed me out! A simpler one like this would probably leave you with more energy as your day sounds stressful and chaotic!

MonsteraDelicious · 25/04/2025 13:13

Also OP if you are having trouble with house to the extent you're hiring a housekeeper I think it would be much more manageable if you didn't have random stuff like moss! And moss maintenance responsibilities 😰

MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:16

@BananaSpanner Like I said, it's typical for a school day. I get a lot less done when I have DD with me.

I also know that even if I had 5 days a week where she's in school, I don't think everything would ever be done, either. Today, for example, I have several more loads of laundry, the garden needs more attention, the house will need more tidying as DD wrecks it again in addition to actual cleaning, people will need to be fed, which will make more dishes, I still need to take care of military things throughout the month and work towards promotion... It doesn't end. I tried to explain that to DH when we talked about it in the past and asked him for some grace and understanding, because he focuses on all the things I don't get to instead of all the things that do get done (though he did finally agree to try to stop doing that! and yesterday he did notice I went to the grocery store and appreciated that I cooked dinner. Small victories) But that was the whole point of the argument where I said "well why didn't you clean as you went, if it's so easy?" Because he did a whole day of housework and didn't get to the dishes at the end of it either. It was like the roles were reversed, and he still didn't empathize.

I know I probably should have done them before I tended to the outdoors, in retrospect. I just rationalized that if I can only do gardening when it's daytime, I'll just push the dishes to when the sun goes down, and that will be more efficient... 'Course, I got to the end of the nights prior to the argument and laid down with DD to get her to sleep, and either fell asleep myself, or was way too tired to bring myself to stay up for another hour, hour and a half to fix the dishes...

Which is also what happens on the occasions where we end up with a whole sink-and-counter full of them on my watch. I've been trying to prioritize doing them as they populate, but y'know, something inevitably happens where we're running out the door to get somewhere on time, or I get distracted and forget, or I have to leave for military service and I come back to a few in the sink and then I think "well, I'll get to the whole of these later," and add to it... Then it becomes this mammoth task. I know it's not good, but I am trying.

OP posts:
LookingAtMyBhunas · 25/04/2025 13:16

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Me too 🤣

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 25/04/2025 13:18

Hilarious.

Interesting that sex is listed as a chore.

OP - you’ve had your fun. Time to come out from under your bridge and laugh at us all for indulging you.

OfNoOne · 25/04/2025 13:22

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 25/04/2025 13:18

Hilarious.

Interesting that sex is listed as a chore.

OP - you’ve had your fun. Time to come out from under your bridge and laugh at us all for indulging you.

Up there with pissing off the local insects and recognising the existence of plants.

MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:23

Wolfpa · 25/04/2025 06:54

I don’t think your list is going to do you any favours here, it screams as if you have thought of every possible thing to make you look busy but have included things like:

greeted the dog
petted the dog
made a drink
pressed button on dryer.

have you tried stacking your habits so you add something else with these so e.g every time you make a drink you tidy some of the kitchen.

I just wrote down exactly what I did. If I took a moment to fix myself a drink or love on the dogs or smell the flowers, I wrote it down.

I usually do the "might as well" thing, where if, for example, I'm waiting for the shower to warm up, I might as well tidy the bathroom... Or if I'm taking the trash and compost out, might as well water the crops and take a few back to the kitchen. That's why it looks disorganized-- because it is. But it helps, and I get less overwhelmed than I do if I keep a running list of things to come back to (And I hardly ever come back to them)

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MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:27

JustMeHello · 25/04/2025 06:59

What does 'hygiened' mean as a verb that's separate to showering?

That's something we say in my branch of the military. Basically bathing, teeth and hair care, skin care, shaving, etc.

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MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:33

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 07:01

Woop-de-doo, you've listed a bunch of things that everyone who works ALSO HAS TO DO. Big deal.

Yeah, but then I assume your spouses who work outside the home also help you, and you put your children in school or child care, and then the home tasks are halved.

DH does the majority of the financial earning and I do the housework and the majority of the child minding. I also assume, from some comments like "it takes me an hour at most to clean my whole house" that most of your properties are much smaller and less work.

But it's not a competition. I'm just trying to explain myself, and what my life is like.

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Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 13:39

MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:33

Yeah, but then I assume your spouses who work outside the home also help you, and you put your children in school or child care, and then the home tasks are halved.

DH does the majority of the financial earning and I do the housework and the majority of the child minding. I also assume, from some comments like "it takes me an hour at most to clean my whole house" that most of your properties are much smaller and less work.

But it's not a competition. I'm just trying to explain myself, and what my life is like.

Our spouses? I don't have a spouse! 😅 I do everything you do (apart from the more niche things), plus work full time to earn my own money.

MonsteraDelicious · 25/04/2025 13:41

Actually I just noticed your username is moss lover. If you love the moss, keep the moss. But is there anything else that could be simplified? Routine? Direct debits?

Enrichetta · 25/04/2025 13:46

Okay, I am going to bite, just in case this is real..

Back in the day...

  • I had 3 under the age of 4 (with a part-time nanny 20-25 hours a week)
  • a demanding job, working 25-35 hours a week (flexitime), including travelling 1-3 days a month
  • a husband who was out 12+ hours a day, working and commuting, 5 days a week
  • a 3-story house (fixer upper - thats a whole other story but much of it involved weekends of DIY), plus garden
  • 2 cats 😹

And yet, somehow, life was busy, sometimes exhausting, but rarely chaotic.

Do you actually have a daily schedule - a to-do list with priorities and a plan of action? If not, why not...

OfNoOne · 25/04/2025 13:52

MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:33

Yeah, but then I assume your spouses who work outside the home also help you, and you put your children in school or child care, and then the home tasks are halved.

DH does the majority of the financial earning and I do the housework and the majority of the child minding. I also assume, from some comments like "it takes me an hour at most to clean my whole house" that most of your properties are much smaller and less work.

But it's not a competition. I'm just trying to explain myself, and what my life is like.

Lots of people live in houses with multiple rooms, land attached, etc. and manage to stay on top of things, even while picking up their own dogs' poo. A lot of people do this while also having careers, families, interests of their own, other commitments...

If you want to make it work, you can either pay to outsource it all or you can develop the skills you need to do it. Prioritising, time management and communication skills are important for family life and the military if that's your back up plan.

One reason why people are saying they can get their homes ready for visitors within an hour is because they keep on top of it so there aren't days' old piles of dishes, dog poo lying around, fish at risk of starvation if you don't travel to someone else's work to feed them, etc.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 13:55

MossLover · 25/04/2025 13:33

Yeah, but then I assume your spouses who work outside the home also help you, and you put your children in school or child care, and then the home tasks are halved.

DH does the majority of the financial earning and I do the housework and the majority of the child minding. I also assume, from some comments like "it takes me an hour at most to clean my whole house" that most of your properties are much smaller and less work.

But it's not a competition. I'm just trying to explain myself, and what my life is like.

You literally don’t know how to set a dryer to dry towels without having to reprogramme it several times. Just work it out once and do it properly, it’ll be easier.

I mean I get it, I hate housework too. It’s boring repetitive and invisible. But I’ve organised my life around that fact so the impact of it on me is minimised.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 13:58

Seriously - listen to Dana K White. She‘s a Christian woman blogger who has helped a lot of people. You mentioned church so you might enjoy her style.

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:00

BustyLaRoux · 25/04/2025 07:21

What strikes me is that this list details a lot of tidying. How then have dishes been left by the sink for four days if this is a typical day? Why is your DH embarrassed by the state of the house if you tidy every room you walk through? Also listing things like greeting a dog, picking up a protein bar and pressing a button on a tumble dryer to make you sound more busy..?

Your day sounds pleasant and relatively busy, as would mine be if I was off work. But surely the issue is that your house was a state, your house is regularly a state and your DH has tried to raise it and you’ve got angry and defensive. Justifying your time on here is all well and good, but the issue is not whether you have to spend your day pressing buttons and greeting animals. The behaviour described earlier (name calling, getting angry, cold shouldering) is abusive to your DH. I am surprised he wants to have sex if I’m honest.

You’ve also forgotten to add “argue with strangers on MN” to your list which presumably has taken up a good chunk of your day

I included everything for full honesty and transparency. I didn't go online yesterday except to post the list. (I shouldn't be online now, but I'm taking a moment while I eat my breakfast, before I start DD's lessons.)

I think DH has a different definition of "clean" then I do, and he catastrophizes (he said he was embarrassed of "the house being a disaster" but it was really just the kitchen that was a mess), and DD tends to mess things up just as quickly as I can tidy...Sometimes I'll spend literally all day picking things up as I go, and the house is tidy for like an hour, and then by the time DH gets home it's messy again. That's why the "if you just cleaned as you went" comment (which has been made in the past, btw) stung so much. Like I am cleaning as I go, for the most part; it doesn't magically make it all stop, y'know?

As for the cold shouldering bit... I am again disagreeing that that is "abuse." Most people act upset if they are upset. Not running to greet someone at the door, not being particularly chatty or interested in physical affection, (like you just said, "I'm suprised he wants to have sex,") not wanting to spend quality time because it's not quality, etc., when there is conflict is normal. My inability to exhibit emotional upset for long periods of time (it's exhausting to me, even if I still logically feel wronged, and a lot of times I just want to be physically comforted... by DH. He knows that, and was taking advantage), was resulting in issues going unresolved, and that's why I was considering trying to act upset for longer than I felt. To cue him in that this genuinely matters to me, and simply hugging isn't going to fix it... I do wonder if saying that to him would have helped, or if he would have shut down in expectation of more arguing, like he's done previously. I'm hoping what we talked about when we made up prevents that in the future.

I would definitely consider it abuse if someone grew colder/more distant for every little thing that mildly displeased them, instead of just talking about it.

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OfNoOne · 25/04/2025 14:06

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:00

I included everything for full honesty and transparency. I didn't go online yesterday except to post the list. (I shouldn't be online now, but I'm taking a moment while I eat my breakfast, before I start DD's lessons.)

I think DH has a different definition of "clean" then I do, and he catastrophizes (he said he was embarrassed of "the house being a disaster" but it was really just the kitchen that was a mess), and DD tends to mess things up just as quickly as I can tidy...Sometimes I'll spend literally all day picking things up as I go, and the house is tidy for like an hour, and then by the time DH gets home it's messy again. That's why the "if you just cleaned as you went" comment (which has been made in the past, btw) stung so much. Like I am cleaning as I go, for the most part; it doesn't magically make it all stop, y'know?

As for the cold shouldering bit... I am again disagreeing that that is "abuse." Most people act upset if they are upset. Not running to greet someone at the door, not being particularly chatty or interested in physical affection, (like you just said, "I'm suprised he wants to have sex,") not wanting to spend quality time because it's not quality, etc., when there is conflict is normal. My inability to exhibit emotional upset for long periods of time (it's exhausting to me, even if I still logically feel wronged, and a lot of times I just want to be physically comforted... by DH. He knows that, and was taking advantage), was resulting in issues going unresolved, and that's why I was considering trying to act upset for longer than I felt. To cue him in that this genuinely matters to me, and simply hugging isn't going to fix it... I do wonder if saying that to him would have helped, or if he would have shut down in expectation of more arguing, like he's done previously. I'm hoping what we talked about when we made up prevents that in the future.

I would definitely consider it abuse if someone grew colder/more distant for every little thing that mildly displeased them, instead of just talking about it.

So, you're proposing that a pre-meditated period of pretending to be upset and giving him the cold shoulder, with the calculated aim of manipulating him to achieve your own objectives... isn't abusive in your opinion? That you think this is a normal or acceptable way to behave towards another person?

...

It's not. Not normal, that is. It is abusive.

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:31

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 13:39

Our spouses? I don't have a spouse! 😅 I do everything you do (apart from the more niche things), plus work full time to earn my own money.

Do you have full custody of your children, or do they go back and forth? Are they in school? Are you spending quality time with them? What's the area of your house and property? How many pets? Do you have moments where you have literally nothing that needs to be done, or when you take time to unwind, are you just saying, "Yeah, that can be done in a bit?" Are you sleeping enough? Getting enough exercise? What are you feeding your family? Do you have time for hobbies, socializing, worship...? (genuinely asking; not trying to be inflammatory)

Like people are again being like "I have to work and I have so many more children than you!" again, but... I literally just detailed spending 95% of my waking hours doing housework and tending to my military responsibilities when my child was being minded by someone else or asleep; I'm not sure what more I could be doing. It's not like I'm being lazy, and I am doing things as efficiently as I can (the laundry is going all throughout the day and put away as soon as it's done, I pick things up that are on the way to the next task, I'm cleaning up the cooking mess as I'm cooking, etc.) I'm also not willing to sacrifice time with my daughter while she's little, I have to stay fit for the military, and I don't function well at all) without proper sleep.

I don't think all 2,245 square feet (208 sq meters) of my house and all 2.8 hectares of my land is going to be perfectly clean and manicured 24/7 without neglecting some of the other important aspects, and I don't think it's a reasonable expectation for anyone else to have of me.

Anyway, I'm logging off now because I have things to do. If anyone else wants to shit on me for what I do, go ahead. I no longer care.

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ConfusedCF · 25/04/2025 14:42

Jumped the shark at the end there.

LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:29

ThatsNotMyTeen · 24/04/2025 08:21

you both sound quite mad tbh

i also can’t believe you employ someone to shovel your dogs’ shit. So does it just lie in dollops around the garden til the shit shoveller arrives?

Poor toddler growing up in this madhouse

How much shit should a shit shoveller, shovel if a shit shoveller shovelled shit? A Shit shoveller should shovel no amount of shit until the shit shoveller shows up.

BarbaricYawp · 25/04/2025 15:37

Surprised by the comments on this thread tbh. Seems to me the problem is that the DH claims to be expressing feelings when actually he is voicing complaints.

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 15:39

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:31

Do you have full custody of your children, or do they go back and forth? Are they in school? Are you spending quality time with them? What's the area of your house and property? How many pets? Do you have moments where you have literally nothing that needs to be done, or when you take time to unwind, are you just saying, "Yeah, that can be done in a bit?" Are you sleeping enough? Getting enough exercise? What are you feeding your family? Do you have time for hobbies, socializing, worship...? (genuinely asking; not trying to be inflammatory)

Like people are again being like "I have to work and I have so many more children than you!" again, but... I literally just detailed spending 95% of my waking hours doing housework and tending to my military responsibilities when my child was being minded by someone else or asleep; I'm not sure what more I could be doing. It's not like I'm being lazy, and I am doing things as efficiently as I can (the laundry is going all throughout the day and put away as soon as it's done, I pick things up that are on the way to the next task, I'm cleaning up the cooking mess as I'm cooking, etc.) I'm also not willing to sacrifice time with my daughter while she's little, I have to stay fit for the military, and I don't function well at all) without proper sleep.

I don't think all 2,245 square feet (208 sq meters) of my house and all 2.8 hectares of my land is going to be perfectly clean and manicured 24/7 without neglecting some of the other important aspects, and I don't think it's a reasonable expectation for anyone else to have of me.

Anyway, I'm logging off now because I have things to do. If anyone else wants to shit on me for what I do, go ahead. I no longer care.

Goodbye 👋

LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:46

loveyoutothemoonandtosaturn · 24/04/2025 19:03

Same!! Also they haven't washed the dishes since Easter???

And now it's half past 3!

LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:52
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