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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
Punzel · 24/04/2025 09:35

@MossLover is clearly in the US hence why the lifestyle seems so different.
I understand that feeling of not feeling able to get things resolved unless you go nuclear. Of course you’d rather sit and calmly talk things through and yes there were lots of points reading your OP where I thought eek why are
you doing that and tbh your way of running your household would massively aggravate me if I were living with you. But you’re in a dynamic where your husbands gets moods/says stuff that you find hurtful then HE gets over it and wants to forget it and hug but you’re left with lots of unresolved feelings that he will not then talk about unless or until you go mental. It’s annoying and sometimes it feels bigger than annoying. You could help yourself by being clear and factual in your communication, try not to completely lose it and call names because your original point gets lost.

There was no need to hunt for a reason why he shouldn’t have said “just clear up as you go”. You sort of tried to trick him into admitting he hadn’t done so so that you could then “get him”. You could have just clearly said “I’m finding that phrase really upsetting, please don’t say that again as I feel I do nothing but clear up after all of us to the point things fall through the cracks” as you’ve eloquently done here.

Sometimes though we can overthink stuff and actually throwing money at the problem does get rid of it. You can just think to yourself “wow horrible row about the state of the place, TF we are getting a cleaner” and hug and move on. Not everything has to be that deep.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:37

Punzel · 24/04/2025 09:35

@MossLover is clearly in the US hence why the lifestyle seems so different.
I understand that feeling of not feeling able to get things resolved unless you go nuclear. Of course you’d rather sit and calmly talk things through and yes there were lots of points reading your OP where I thought eek why are
you doing that and tbh your way of running your household would massively aggravate me if I were living with you. But you’re in a dynamic where your husbands gets moods/says stuff that you find hurtful then HE gets over it and wants to forget it and hug but you’re left with lots of unresolved feelings that he will not then talk about unless or until you go mental. It’s annoying and sometimes it feels bigger than annoying. You could help yourself by being clear and factual in your communication, try not to completely lose it and call names because your original point gets lost.

There was no need to hunt for a reason why he shouldn’t have said “just clear up as you go”. You sort of tried to trick him into admitting he hadn’t done so so that you could then “get him”. You could have just clearly said “I’m finding that phrase really upsetting, please don’t say that again as I feel I do nothing but clear up after all of us to the point things fall through the cracks” as you’ve eloquently done here.

Sometimes though we can overthink stuff and actually throwing money at the problem does get rid of it. You can just think to yourself “wow horrible row about the state of the place, TF we are getting a cleaner” and hug and move on. Not everything has to be that deep.

Or Australia? They have creeks.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:41

I think even in the US people are expected to have basic standards of hygiene.

Totot · 24/04/2025 09:48

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:27

Snobbery too to add to the list - us peasants in our tiny homes, eh?

It can’t be that grand if they have to share a driveway with their neighbours!!

I can’t work out how the OP thinks she knows what her husband is thinking when she clearly lacks any understanding of nuance, and doesn’t listen to what people are saying. I can’t see why her husband is annoyed though as she’s being insulting to posters, and seems to lack any empathy.

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:49

Still unsure as to why so many people think the OP is real…

Zonder · 24/04/2025 09:51

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

Is this an example of your empathy?

PsychoHotSauce · 24/04/2025 09:52

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

I have to say, if you can't even manage to hide your true colours here with remarks like this, no wonder your husband is walking on eggshells around you.

The second you feel affronted, you lash out. What exactly do you expect him to do? 'Talk' to you about his feelings when you've shown the exact same behaviour towards strangers - and you're so absorbed in how things are triggering for YOU that you don't give a shit about HIS feelings. Literally no one with half a brain cell is going to communicate openly with you, unless they're a masochist that enjoys getting shit for daring to have feelings or different opinions.

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 09:52

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:49

Still unsure as to why so many people think the OP is real…

Because some women are like this. Men don't have the monopoly on being unreasonable and abusive.

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:54

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 09:52

Because some women are like this. Men don't have the monopoly on being unreasonable and abusive.

Nah, it’s beyond that. Too many obvious wind-up tells

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:57

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:49

Still unsure as to why so many people think the OP is real…

Why wouldn’t it be? You’ve obviously only met a narrow range of people if you haven’t ever seen a couple like this in real life. I totally have.

gannett · 24/04/2025 09:57

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:54

Nah, it’s beyond that. Too many obvious wind-up tells

The wind-ups are usually more measured and deliberate than this (like the recent spate of tradwife ones). The OP's updates are too chaotic, reactive and at times a little hard to decipher.

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:58

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:57

Why wouldn’t it be? You’ve obviously only met a narrow range of people if you haven’t ever seen a couple like this in real life. I totally have.

And you obviously haven’t experienced many long-game internet trolls. I envy you.

(I won’t go on about it because MN deletes suggestions like this on-sight)

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:59

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:58

And you obviously haven’t experienced many long-game internet trolls. I envy you.

(I won’t go on about it because MN deletes suggestions like this on-sight)

Edited

What does it matter though? If my friends stumbled across this they’d learn something from the replies. Is that not good?

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 24/04/2025 10:46

Email. Seriously.

My DH and I went to therapy and we really struggled with conflict because I shut down and withdraw due to an abusive childhood, paired with being ND.

I find strong emotions really hard to deal with and we found that emailing each other regarding issues or grievances really helped. We both thought through what we were saying a lot more. We weren't reactive and faces/body language didn't interfere.

We had some amazing conversations, and now we don't need to email any more because we gained a lovely understanding of each other's communication styles.

Our rule was we had to wait at least an hour, but no more than 24hrs before replying.
This meant the other wasn't left forever and ignoring couldn't be weaponised... But equally we didn't get into quickfire email battles.

Honestly, best technique we have ever used in our relationship and it got us through a very tough time.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 24/04/2025 10:52

I am struggling to see why you posted in AIBU as you clearly think you are not. As I reply, 87% of people think you are being unreasonable, that is a clear message OP.

I do hope you get the counselling you need.

Hernameisdeborah · 24/04/2025 11:20

This para really jumped out for me:

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

IME at least, it's really horrible to be on the receiving end of someone deliberately being cold and angry for an extended period. You do anything to end the situation. So, is there not still a risk that he could apologise, not because he's seen the whole situation from your perspective and has fully understood what he's done wrong, but to end the situation and get you both on speaking terms again?

And I agree, couples counselling sounds like a very good idea. Maybe also individual therapy for yourself as it sounds like you were on the receiving end of emotional abuse and may have developed some unhealthy thinking and communication patterns due to this

Whynotaxthisyear · 24/04/2025 11:24

Truly you need couples counselling. You sound furious with each other and theres no point in the rest of us picking a ‘team’
and joining your argument. Hope you get something sorted.

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 24/04/2025 12:23

It is easy to get caught up in arguments with a long time partner and sometime’s an outsider’s POV can help:
You have a man working long hours, annoyed that the house is not tidy, but he doesn’t say anything.
His wife insists on knowing what is bothering him. When he eventually tells her, she doesn’t empathise or look for a solution but enters into an argument: why didn’t he say it before / he said the garden needed work so she has been doing that etc.
-> it seems like you insisting that he tells you was actually a way of telling him off for being in a mood.
I don’t know what your arrangement is, but if I was working FT supporting a partner at home, I would not expect to be ashamed of the mess - I’m not saying spotless, but definitely not leaving dirty dishes for several days.

As a side note: why was it the garden or the kitchen? Couldn’t you have made progress on both? Cleaning/tidying the kitchen even after a feast shouldn’t take more than a few hours.

Funnywonder · 24/04/2025 12:41

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

I don’t call anyone names. I might mutter the odd thing under my breath, out of earshot, but name calling is so damaging. My mum was brought up in a family where name calling was the norm and she said it made her feel like she was worthless. So we were banned from name calling. DP has called me a couple of choice names over the years while we were arguing and it just cuts me in two. It stops the argument dead mind you, because once it has sunk to that pathetic, immature, hateful level, I’m out.

beAsensible1 · 24/04/2025 14:34

OP you have to get some basic organisation. Unless things are urgent you have to have daily and weekly and monthly tasks.

have a live calendar for your appointments in the kitchen.

use the day your toddler goes to school for all your appointments if you can.

dishes daily, sheets weekly, dog poo daily etc

dont let things “pop up” to blow you off task do your tasks regardless. After a few months you’ll get into the rhythm of it.

BustyLaRoux · 24/04/2025 14:42

I have to add that I feel sorry for your DH. I do think what you need are the tools to communicate better as a couple, as I said in my earlier post. But I also think you’re being pretty defensive and unfair.

You got him to tell you why he was upset, which he didn’t want to do.

You then said he was wrong to feel like that.

You then defensively argued with him, said he was being ridiculous, etc.

You asked why he’d not mentioned this before?
(So blaming him for not speaking up sooner)

Then, when he told you he had actually mentioned this before, you got annoyed again and told him why he was wrong again.

Then you got into a tit for tat. He had obviously done a lot of cooking and clearing up. You said you’d been doing cleaning and bedding. But I’m not sure how much cleaning you can actually have done because you’re also saying the house is in a state. And if he’s mentioned it previously then this is obviously an ongoing issue. It must be quite bad if one of you is feeling embarrassed by it. One presumes it wasn’t a huge expectation for you to clean up the last lot of cooking he’d done. (He didn’t ask though. And you’re not a mind reader. I get that). But….

You’ve got dirty plates sat by the sink for days on end and are now having an argument about who should have done them. If he cooked all the meals and has been working, do you not think you should have done them? You just left them there for several days. He seems to have gone back to work. You’re not working. Maybe it is kind of obvious they needed doing. I can’t imagine leaving stuff by the sink for three or four days, especially if I was home!

I do think you should adjust your priorities. You’re not managing a house and toddler, despite not working and having the toddler in day care two days a week. Clearly something is amiss. I’m guessing your DH thinks the same but is too afraid to say so. Or had tried to say something in the past and has had you being defensive and angry. He has highlighted name calling as an issue. Again, this is abusive behaviour. You even said this time you did end up losing it again and calling him names. But again, you defend yourself and say “but I didn’t get angry straight away” or that it’s his fault you got angry. This is classic abusive behaviour I am afraid to say. He is not responsible for your anger. Trying to talk about the housework and his feelings of embarrassment are absolutely not a reason for you to get angry.

As for giving him the cold treatment and threatening to leave him, this is again abusive behaviour. You’ve said you’ll leave him if he suggests you clear up as you go again!! And say this would be triggering for you. No wonder he can’t raise things with you. Threatening to leave if he ever reiterates a fairly reasonable suggestion about cleaning up as you go is awful behaviour on your part. And no, it is not triggering! And he is not gaslighting you. These are proper therapeutic terms which people bandy about without realising what they mean. It might seriously irk you if he made that suggestion again, but this isn’t him deliberately triggering you!

Then when he’s gone to hug you to try and make peace you’ve given him both barrels!

Your behaviour has not been good. You don’t seem very willing to accept that. When people have tried to get you to see it, in true form you’ve got defensive and been quite rude to people.

You do have communication needs as a couple, but you also are exhibiting some unacceptable behaviours and you need to stop making excuses, stop getting angry, stop with the name calling, take some ownership and stop blaming your husband.

ThDanielDay · 24/04/2025 18:00

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

With bells on

CandelabraCat · 24/04/2025 18:58

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

Huh? Make your mind up!
”I just said I didn’t call him any names, and I wasn’t intent on it, and then he misheard me”

loveyoutothemoonandtosaturn · 24/04/2025 19:03

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Same!! Also they haven't washed the dishes since Easter???

EmeraldShamrock000 · 25/04/2025 01:44

Who do you think you are? Getting angry, tben angrier and bullying your DH? Name calling.
You abuse him, verbally and mentally.
He needs to get a divorce. You manipulate and gaslight him.
Get some help with self awareness or divorce him.

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