Discussion about Jesus’s death which now encompasses creationism and the second coming. Thread 2

[ZoggyStirdust]

Continues from here if anyone wants to

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5318577-to-not-understand-why-christians-think-jesus-died-for-our-sins?page=40&reply=143772264

Absolutely religion and science can co exist. The science I have studied confirms my belief in a creator God.

That's because your God is such a loser that he throws a big tantrum when people disobey him.

Don't be ridiculous. How were the people on other continents warned? How did toddlers and babies deserve death? Not to mention all the other innocents in the world. The only good point about story is that it didn't happen, being only a childish fable.

I don’t believe for a minute there was an ark full of two of each animals. Why do you believe these outlandish stories? Believe in god if you want but all these stories of arks full of every animal, talking snakes, talking donkeys, people being turned to salt, I mean come on!! It’s no wonder perfectly decent, well mannered people in real life scoff at such nonsense.

Clearly you don't know your bible. What about the clear and explicit condoning of slavery? If god can take the time to tell you not to eat shellfish, not to wear mixed fabrics and cut your beard, he might have slipped in "owning people as property is wrong".

Human kind has neared extinction multiple times over the millenia, though not in the last few thousand years. Indeed, orginally there were many more species of humans, but only homo sapiens remain. Drought, volcanic erruption, meteor strikes and disease are the most probably cause, and there have been none of those in the last few hundred thousand years. The last time was long before anyone was capable of building an ark sized vessel. So it's fortunate that flood is unlikley to have been once of the causes as that coudl have wiped us out :)

Some people think drug taking took place in (I don’t know what type) which is why there are outlandish stories. It may have been accidental, as in not knowing certain ‘herbs’ were hallucinogenic. No one can verify or not I suppose but it would explain some of the wild tales.

Many people can happily let religion and science co-exist, and that's healthy. Indeed, it's to be encourgaed. Faith can help those who need a narrative to make sense of the world. I get that; it's not for me but each to their own. If it's helpful then thats' great.

However, a belief in creationism is to deny overhelming, verifiable and repeatable evidence that shows that earth has existed for and evolved over billions and billions of years. That's not a credible stance to take - if nothing else, the time frames are so far out as to be ridiculous

He doesn't intervene

So why pray? If he's not going to intervene, why bother. Or if during a storm someone does pray and a tree just misses their house, why Thank God? According to you he didn't do anything. When the Pope went into hospital, why did he ask everyone to pray for him? Either God sometimes intervenes or he doesn't. And if he does sometimes intervene, and cure a child's cancer, why not everyone's? He's a bit of a capricious prick if he could, but doesn't.

I thought John was on drugs. It's a bit tangerine dreams and marshmallow skies isn't it?

I was trying to explain what the Bible says. Reading the Bible and comparing related passages tends to reveal the meaning more thoroughly.

Since some Muslims in various countries are becoming Christian believers, I think it can be said that many Muslims have heard the truth about Jesus as well as what Islam says.

How can evolution be a fairytale? You just have to look at the night sky and see all of the stars and planets and time and space to know that it’s not made up and is evidence based.

I think it's a shame that these threads inevitably descend into arrogant name calling and unkindness from the atheists. Nobody owes anyone a kindness, but you have to wonder why people think it's okay to take the piss. You have to wonder where it even comes from. Is it necessary? Why does this behavioural pattern occur?

The unkindness and lack of understanding is, if anything, more from the believers than the non believers. Most of the non believers are just trying to understand :)

The Bible says when you look at the night sky you see the evidence of God. We are looking at the same things and coming to different conclusions.

The Christians I know are all decent, well mannered people who believe the Bible as there is plenty of evidence for it.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. That makes sense as to where these outlandish and unrealistic stories came from. Then will each generation the stories became more elaborate and separated off in to different branches depending on where people lived. 2000 years later here we are, people still believing the variant they were brought up with.

I was raised Baptist - definitely nothing like those American fundamentalists!

Not from what I've observed. I've just read some pretty unpleasant piss taking. It's something that believers have to accept and live with, but what's the point? You wouldn't start taking the piss out of someone because they loved their husband or children or pet dog. You might not feel the same way, or even understand, but you wouldn't jeer or be nasty. You'd just shrug and think "Oh well".

But the scientists who believe in creation would say that all the evidence points to creation at that evolutionists are twisting the evidence to suit their own aims. Creationists are intelligent people who have looked at the evidence.
How is the evidence for evolution and the big bang repeatable?

I don’t doubt their faith but the day of judgement stuff is on a different level.

God is Love, and that's why He made us and the world we live in. Our loving Him is for our common benefit, not to meet a personal need of God.

Try this article:

biblehub.com/q/why_does_god_need_worship.htm

On the whole I think the thread has been respectful. The reason people mock the Bible is because they don't want to consider that it could be true, because if it was it would mean they had to make changes to their lives. No one mocks fiction books, the Bible is different. If people thought it really was a harmless fiction book they would just ignore rather than mock.

This.

Yes, exactly. God desires only good for us, and worshipping God is what we are created to do and it is the thing that brings us real peace, joy and purpose.