Discussion about Jesus’s death which now encompasses creationism and the second coming. Thread 2

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Continues from here if anyone wants to

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5318577-to-not-understand-why-christians-think-jesus-died-for-our-sins?page=40&reply=143772264

Yes, people have all different views on the day of judgement. It hasn't happened yet, so none of us can be sure exactly what will happen. The historical accuracy of the Bible is well evidences though. The British museum has many, many artifacts which back up the Bible narrative.

The Bible hasn't changed though. There are thousands of ancient copies that are referred to when printing modern editions. It's fascinating to compare the age and number of copies of the Bible to those of something like Caesars Gallic War. There is far more evidence to back up the accuracy of the Bible and yet no one doubts the writings of Caesar in the way they do the Bible.

My peace, purpose and joy is my family and children. I don't need a God to have those things.

If God intervened to stop every bad thing he would have destroyed the world long ago. He is patient with us because he longs for people to turn and repent and not face eternal punishment.

It only makes sense if you take the whole Bible in context. Heaven is for people who choose to live by love for God and the people He made.

Love requires justice. Those who reject a heavenly lifestyle will be told why they wouldn't fit in.

Those are all really good things, and things that Christians would say come from God. I'm not saying you can't have peace and purpose in this life without God, but what about eternity?

Who/how will I be told I won’t fit in?

You can choose to interpet questioning or incredulity at some peoples unwillingness to accept simple facts as piss taking, but I don't see any signs that that's the intention. The lengths that some believers are willing to go to to deny science are baffling. The first thread was more mainstream and balanced I think, on that I woudl agree.

You are doing a bit of a bait and switch by trying to equate it to love for your husband or child or dog though. Because if the believers did leave it as love for god and the teachings, as I and many have repeatedly said, that makes sense and while we don't feel the need, if it works for you then great

A better analogy would be if you had said you are so lucky that the stork had delivered you such a lovely child, and were then challenged by non believers saying 'hang on, that's not how babies are created'.

No one is questioning the love people have for their god - it's attributing things that are palpably nothing to do with god with god that is the issue!

And me - life is good without any religious rules and threats.

I can’t see any evidence of unkindness generally. As a pp pointed out, there are so many questions about religious beliefs and many of which are difficult to answer for those with faith because they often conflict with science.

Those that reject the fact of evolution and believe the planet is only a a few thousand years old quite rightly point out the holes in that story and that’s what anything is without evidence, a story. The whole Noah’s ark story is unbelievable as it is far fetched and it’s not wrong to point that out because it is completely illogical. People can critically evaluate what they have been told and that’s what is happening here. I understand those of faith won’t like being because they don’t have the objective answers but it’s ok to critique a concept that has absolutely no evidence in any shape or form.

The Bible is a book of stories not a roadmap of what is going to happen to the real world.

And that’s fine but one is quantifiable the other isn’t.

But you can prove how babies are created as they always emerge from a woman's body. God can't be proven yet people love him in the same way they might love their partner or children. It's individual to them and probably incomprehensible to an outsider because that person may be perceived as being without personality, looks or a decent job.

We don't exist for billions of years, we are born and live for, maybe, 80 or 90 years, and then we cease to exist again for the rest of time. We all die twice; once when we physically die, and again the last time anyone mentions our name. We should make the most of the 80 or 90 years we have with friends and family, to explore and experience things, to help others and the environment around us. Try and leave your bit of the world in a better pace than when you entered it :)

The Bible is a historical document, it's accuracy is backed up by archaeology and other historical documents. It does tell us some things about the future, but we don't know all the details

I like the idea of leaving the world a better place than we found it

No one has any certainty about their future but a day of judgment isn’t in mine.

Actually Noah's ark isn't far fetched. The fossil records support the idea of a global flood. Some people in America built a life size replica of the ark, using the measurements given in the Bible, and showed that it could house all those animals.

That's your opinion though. The ideas of creation and a young earth are perfectly sane and intelligent. There is plenty of evidence out there.

What about the talking snake? Do you believe that?

What is the repeatable evidence for evolution? As far as I am aware, cross species evolution has never been recreated in the lab.

Yes. If God can create the whole world in 6 days, of course he can make a snake capable of talking. Anyway, the snake was actually the devil taking the form of a snake.

If you have no certainty, how can be sure that there isn't a day of judgement?

This was about the day of judgment, when the unsaved people account for their lives and actions.

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/end-times/what-is-the-final-judgment-of-god-what-happens-on-judgment-day.html

It take thousands of years, which is the most significant reason the earth isn’t only few thousand years old.

What about the dinosaurs? Are the scientists wrong in stating they lived millions of years ago?