To be shocked by a transwoman guest on Jeremy Vine today asking a female caller what sex she is - and whether she’s “been tested?”

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I genuinely couldn’t believe what I was hearing. A woman called in to make a point and instead of responding to her argument, the guest asked her what sex she was - and even questioned whether she’d been tested to confirm it.

I found it incredibly demeaning and unsettling. AIBU to think this kind of behaviour undermines the whole idea of respectful discussion and actually silences women?

There hasn't ever been 'respectful discussion' around any of it, OP.

So many women have assumed that this is a movement driven by gentle transwomen - after all, we know what women are generally like, and they call themselves women so...

And it's why so many have been against the actual women campaigning and fighting for women's rights and not being kind towards or protecting our vulnerable trans sisters...

Because this is the reality. And it's what many of us have known for years.

It's a movement mainly driven by angry, violent, misogynistic men and the fact it has taken this long to get to this point is appalling.

But they really are showing their true colours to everyone now.

And everyone can now see that the Emperor is walking round naked.

Meanwhile the trans community is busy touting this.

And nobody has ever called me a conservative in my life, ever....

Indeed should a male persons philosophical belief trump people with biological fact? What gives him the entitlement to tell others he's something he obviously, factually isn't. Stop pandering to these people

Quite simply - men would think phwoar. Women would question whether they're in the correct bathroom, understand when told yes.

They being the bearded person in this scenario.

I don’t know why they do that. We all know in reality the person on the left will use the ladies, the person on the right, the gents, and most will be nonthewiser.

Standard trans play, they claim they are 'women' but attack women verbally given half a chance

And we also know that filters do great work.

And that it is more likely that a female person will correctly sex the male person.

I saw this too and was shouting at the TV. I'm so pissed off with how the mainstream media is covering this. Every news show has a biological man going on about feeling terrified yet in the next breath saying that they will continue to use women's single sex spaces. The female panelist (Sara?) was gibbering on about men and their hurty feelings also completely missing the whole point. One caller tried her best to argue the point from a female point of view. I wish GMB/Jeremy Vine would get Helen Joyce on so she could shut this nonsense down with facts.

Well, those are just photos. I bet they look quite different in the flesh, especially Plastic because when you Google them they look much less female in the non carefully selected photo.

IMO transmen always pass better because it's easier to hide a female musculoskeletal system under excess muscle build up and a beard, but they will still look a bit not quite right as a man eg they are only 5ft 4inches and have wider curved hips.

As always the give away is the walk.

I would have been able to answer “yes, actually!” as my mum had amniocentesis when she was pregnant with me due to a high risk for rhesus incompatibility which nearly killed my older brother.

There are a very small number of people with a DSD who have XY chromosomes but are medically classified as female. It’s very rare and really nothing to do with transgender issues.
Obviously people with various DSDs will indeed have been tested as to which sex they are, unlike the vast majority where there’s no ambiguity and no test needed.

It's a bad question because as the OP says it's not engaging with the question asked.
It goes off topic.
It turns the focus immediately on the questioner.

Sounds highly toxic to me.

Tested?

I can show you the children I birthed, will that do?

Which only arises because they expect people to ignore the evidence of their own eyes and treat them as if they belong to the opposite of their actual sex. Nobody who supports gender ideology ever actually explains why it's OK to say 'I identify as a woman/man' but not to say 'I identify as having X disability' when you haven't, or 'I identify as Black British' when you're very clearly not Black, or 'I identify as a toddler' when you're also quite obviously an adult.

Male genetically, but clearly she didn't go through either male puberty or male socialisation. Those are the key things that lead us to needing separate facilities for males and females at times when we are vulnerable and need privacy. I'd have no issue whatever with someone with Swyer Syndrome (if that's what this is) using women's facilities. I do have an issue with people like Caster Semenya competing in women's sports because they did go through male puberty, even though they were registered female at birth.

The reality is you are these you these are observed at birth

I don't understand this. What does You are these you these are mean?

Would 5 positive pregnancy tests could as sufficient 'testing', do you think?

Or is the transwoman thinking of a written exam about the precise angle of head tilt, gendered brains and one's place on the Barbie to GI Joe scale?

FFS. My sex like the sex of nearly everyone was observed and recorded at birth.

For those very few born where doubt exists, testing is available to clarify any DSDs. They will still be either female-with-a-DSD or male-with-a-DSD.

Disingenuous bullshit from the transwoman.

We were ‘tested’ at birth - ie assigned a sex based on our biological presentation.

It pretty obviously means she had some sort of editing mistake - probably meant to type ‘The reality is you are the sex observed at birth’ or similar.

How would you know?

You can assume that when you see someone you think is trans that you’re right.

But you’re also assuming that you’re right when you see someone who you think has an appearance that matches their genetics. Someone who’s really successfully transitioned wouldn’t be apparent to you, especially as those people tend to keep very, very quiet about their history.

(yes, I’m making an assumption that you don’t genetically test everyone presenting as a woman that you meet).

All of Life is a test. Then you die. 🤣

Oh look, apparent trans people absolutely not conforming to opposite sex stereotypes.

I can't believe there are people arguing in all seriousness that there's nothing to do with stereotypes.

Edit: also it's lawful to exclude both.

Even the name 'Plastic' is a very pornified choice that strongly suggests fetishistic motivation rather than genuine dysphoria to me.

Of all of the thousands of established female names from which this person could have chosen, in the quest to pass as a bona fide woman, why on earth would you choose such an odd, unpleasant-sounding non-name?

Woah, untwist, I’m not making any point other than the irony in the OP who seems to have spectacularly missed the point.

No one in this scenario was forcing anyone else to do or say anything. The person calling in asked the woman’s sex and whether she had ever had her sex tested which OP found so spectacularly offensive she decided to write a post about it. Yet, the Supreme Court ruling (something I agree wholeheartedly with if that matters to you) opens some women up to exactly this if they happen not to look ‘female’ enough. As a woman with severe PCOS who’s been challenged in a toilet before, I’m troubled by it although recognise that there was no other sane outcome of the Supreme Court ruling, and my own case here is an edge case compared to the good the ruling can do for the protection of women and girls.

This is where I think both the OP and you have come unstuck and where you need to reflect: you jumped down my throat not knowing my own beliefs because you were looking for opposition and not for discussion. OP has done the same thing and it’s not how we navigate any of this sensibly. My original comment gave no indication of which ‘side’ I’m on because I don’t think picking sides and declaring war on the other one is helpful at all. You and I probably agree more than we disagree on this particular topic, but even though I’m in your ‘side’ it doesn’t mean I can’t understand why the Supreme Court ruling isn’t all ‘good’ and why I believe recognising where it also harms women is important.