M&S changing rooms

[SweetChilliGirl]

Was I unreasonable to send this to M&S?

Good morning,

Having not shopped for lingerie with you for several years, due to your policy of allowing trans-identifying men into the women's changing rooms, can I now be assured that, in line with the judgement of the supreme court males will no longer be allowed to identify their way into your single sex changing rooms, thus preserving biological women's dignity and safety? I would very much like to be able to shop with you again.

I look forward to hearing from to to clarify this important matter.

Regards,

Sweetchilligirl

I have tried on many items of clothing in M&S and every single time they have had individual cubicles, why does it matter to you if a man is in there???

Do you have a trans person in your family Didimum?

Or the person happens to think they pass. It’s not up to you how one person judges a trans person to pass or not. Nor is it up to them how you judge a pass.

No I don’t.

The material point is they have been wrongly accessing women’s spaces for some time now - and when anyone objects or raises a complaint they’re told to stop being a bigot and they double down on saying TWAW.

But now, if by whatever means/identification a man DOES enter a woman’s space we can expect to have something done about it as the law is on our side. Whether people pass or not in the long run is irrelevant - the law is what matters, and in turn women’s rights to safe spaces. Men sneaking in to women’s spaces doesn’t lessen that law or those rights. It’s just someone breaking the law which happens every day - except it’s now recognised as breaking the law.

Trans people often think they pass because people tell them they do, who would tell a man to his face that he doesn't!

They rarely do in reality.

In any case, passing is irrelevant. The person is still a man either way and should stay out of single sex spaces for women.

Not being asked to leave does not mean women aren’t aware that there’s a male person in the loo.
Don’t you get that women haven’t actually been allowed to protest without being accused of transphobia and having it recorded as a hate crime against them?
Let’s see how many can fly under the radar now women won’t be vilified for pointing out the emperor had no clothes on.

Yes, I’d agree with that.

Please let us know how they respond OP

How you judge a pass??
Not being detectable as being anything other than the thing you’re attempting to pass as - that’s how we judge a pass 🤦‍♀️

When did life become so bloody complicated!! 😬

I’m saying passing is subjective to the individual. That’s all.

Probably sometime in the 60s 😂

How many females have been assaulted In changing rooms? Do we have any stats on this?

How many women have to be for you to care?

Mine is zero.

Latest stats are 2017-18 and were 134 assaults

It's not. There are 2 sexes. Male and female.

Male people are not women even if they claim to be trans women.

They therefore should not be anywhere near single sex spaces for women.

This has always been the case until recently when Stonewall misrepresented the law.

That has now been challenged in the Supreme Court which is the highest court in the land which has agreed that for the purposes of the Equality Act woman does not include trans women.

Trans people have not lost any rights, because they didn't have the right to be in those spaces in the first place.

A rape and other assaults were reported to have taken place at Harrison High, Cobb County, US for one.

There are also reports of sexual assaults in a gender neutral toilet in a secondary school in Essex - no word of the name of the school, however.

ETA The Essex attacker is said to be a boy. The Harrison High attacker is described as 'trans' in news reports.

There are also reports of girls not drinking in school to avoid having to use toilets or girls skipping school altogether when on their periods because they don't want to use mixed sex toilets.

Can anyone, maybe Didimum tell me how girls and women benefit from the loss of single sex spaces to male people?

I can't for the life of me understand how anyone is defending the erosion of women's rights?

Bloody hell. That's terrifying, I had no idea. Is that uk wide?

Once again, please quote where I have defended the erosion of women’s rights, because that’s fictitious.

I have discussed scenarios of challenge between two opposing groups.

Oh for goodness sake, it was a genuine question. Are you just looking for a fight, any fight? 🙄

The aggression is rather tiresome, isn’t it?

The SC ruling doesn’t force M&S to have single sex changing rooms does it?

If I had an issue with a store’s policy on changing facilities I just would shop elsewhere.