to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

What about people believe in God but do not believe Jesus is God like the unitarians?

A law from a god is not a real law - where is the legislation to back it up?

You do realise everything in life cannot be backed up by legislation and laws? There is so much about the world that has not even been discovered yet.

Do you only believe in things you can physically see and experience?

Where would intuition fit in?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/18/go-with-your-gut-the-science-and-psychology-behind-our-sense-of-intuition

I definitely don’t believe in imaginary gods who do nothing but harm and then threaten you if you don’t agree to worship and obey them! I think I’m the sensible rational one here!

Consequences, not threats.

Mind you, the consequence can very much feel like a threat though 🤣 but it does give a ratherly different point of view of a godly attitude.

Yeah I wouldn’t either.

Try and do the wrong thing in front of others and learn the natural legislation 🤣

I don't either. I believe in a real God who is good and who sent his son to die so that sinners like me can be forgiven. God is patient, he gives people time to repent. Warning people of coming danger is a loving thing to do. If people choose not to listen and are punished, that's on them.

If Jesus isn't God he couldn't have died in our place and risen again. If Jesus isn't God there is no forgiveness.

I notice you keep sidestepping when you are challenged that not everything can be explained in life. Even scientists know this.

You are not the sensible rational one when you are so closed narrow minded.

I gave you an example of intuition which you ignored.

Just because you cannot see something does not mean it is imaginary.

God can forgive without Jesus.

I’m sure you’re not a sinner but a good person living the best life possible. What are you being warned about? No one has warned me of anything so what’s my punishment?

NRTWT but RE teacher in a Catholic secondary school! Humans messed up their relationship with God so much that no amount of repentance/sacrifice (Old Testament animal version) was going to fix it - only God could fix it.

So he came down in the form of a human, Jesus, purely to save us from sin and repair our relationship with God (hence why he's called the Lamb of God - he was literally born to die).

The idea that we no longer have accountability for our sins is wrong. Jesus dying gave us the opportunity to be saved, since we didn't have it before because of the ruined relationship between humans and God. We have to actively make the choice to truly repent with changed behaviour to be saved. And as God is omniscient, you can't 'fool' him into thinking you're sorry when you're not!

Sounds like you’re making up the ‘rules’ to suit yourself.

What am I being saved from? I don’t have any relationship with god as I’m an atheist so I haven’t asked anyone to be as stupid to die for me.

not sure about that! He did question his father...

The concepts of heaven, hell and needing to "be saved" are fundamentally incompatible with the idea of a loving and all-powerful god.

Good parents love their children unconditionally.

jesus wept!

@parker231 the Bible says we will be judged by Jesus at the second coming and those who deny him will be denied the joy of spending all eternity in Heaven.

Personally, since the Bible says the only unforgivable sin is to be face to face with God and deny him, I think we get a final opportunity on judgement day to repent.

I might be wrong, but in any case those who don't get eternity in Heaven get Hell, which is just another word for the grave. Ie you get to look on Jesus' face, see what Heaven could be like but then you are denied it and go back to death.

In day to day life following Jesus isn't always easy but his instructions are for what is best for us. So ultimately not following him is likely to lead to bad decisions.

I’m in my mid 50’s and haven’t made bad decisions yet so unlikely to do so now.

As I don’t believe in an imaginary god or the day of judgement (when is it - would like to see what happens?) I’m not going to repent (over what?).

When we die, we die = the end for everyone.

You say following Jesus isn’t easy - my life is so why would I change? Why would his instructions be best for me?

Warned that eternal punishment awaits for those who haven't put their trust in Jesus. You have been warned, because you've been told that on this thread. I am a sinner, and so is everyone that has ever lived, other than Jesus. That's not to say that people don't do good things- most of us are good, law abiding citizens. But none of us can match up to God's standards and that makes us sinners.

Christians believe you are justified by the act of Jesus dying on the cross. That means that all your sins are forgiven. They are then called to be sanctified which means that they live their life trying not to sin and so their remaining life is a process of trying to live in a good and holy way. The Bible describes a Christian who goes back to a life of sinning like a dog returning to its vomit.

And good parents don't ignore bad behaviour. God wouldn't be good if he ignored sin.

No one has warned me other than random posters on an internet site!

Whst has god done which is better than the majority of the population?

Good parents don’t threaten their children that they will go to hell unless they worship and obey a god. Good parents don’t think that their children are sinners.