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To think you should never cohabit with a man unless he’s paying the majority of the bills?

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ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:47

Split finances = split energy.

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WeHaveTheRabbit · 19/04/2025 17:24

Vladimir Nabokov's instructions to his students before exams: "Do not pad ignorance with eloquence." Good advice that you may wish to take to heart, OP. You may believe that by using words like "polarity" and "provision" (neither of which mean what you seem to think they mean) you can convince people you are expressing profound ideas. But in reality, you simply show that you haven't the faintest notion about healthy relationships and your woolly language can't hide that.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:26

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 15:52

Do you actually understand what 50/50 means?

It doesn't mean that you do exactly 50% of everything. It means that you do 50% of the work in the relationship.

That does look different for every relationship. You don't have some magic relationship recipe here. You're just telling people that they're wrong because they're equal...

Yes, I do understand and I agree that 50/50 doesn’t have to mean identical tasks. But what I’ve found is that in many modern relationships labelled ‘equal’, the split often looks fair on paper while still leaning heavier on one partner emotionally or mentally and that imbalance gets overlooked because the bills are split. I’m not saying everyone who prefers 50/50 is wrong - I’m saying it doesn’t work for me. I’m not seeking ‘equality’ in a spreadsheet sense, I’m seeking complementarity. Not better, not worse - just aligned with my values.

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OfNoOne · 19/04/2025 17:26

What about financial competence is 'masculine'?

Why do you need someone to manage your finances, @ThisSereneSnail ? If there are medical or legal reasons, you can have a financial guardian, but it might be a woman because 'having a penis' isn't a prerequisite for the job.

MarkWithaC · 19/04/2025 17:27

I go with 'From each according to his ability'. DP (male) and I (female) over twenty-odd years have both been the major earner, and have adjusted what we put into the joint finances accordingly.
I'm currently the one with the provider energy Grin

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 17:28

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:57

Because I believe in masculine provider energy and I’m not looking to split hairs or bills. If I’m showing up emotionally, practically, and often doing more of the invisible labour that keeps a household running, I don’t think it’s wild to expect financial leadership in return. It’s about alignment. Some of us just don’t want a 50/50 roommate dynamic in our relationships.

Edited

Why would you be doing more of the 'invisible labour'? I presume you are talking about cohabiting with a fully grown adult?

BunnyLake · 19/04/2025 17:28

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:21

I wouldn’t and I don’t. My point wasn’t that women should carry more emotional labour but that many do, often by default. It becomes the norm in a lot of relationships without people realising the imbalance until it starts to feel draining. I think it’s fair to expect a partner to step up but it also means being honest about what kind of dynamic works for you - which for me includes clear roles, shared values, and mutual appreciation.

This doesn’t sound anything like your OP or what you’ve been preaching as the norm we should all expect and want if we had any sense. Are you confusing yourself now?

Bluebellwood129 · 19/04/2025 17:29

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:26

Yes, I do understand and I agree that 50/50 doesn’t have to mean identical tasks. But what I’ve found is that in many modern relationships labelled ‘equal’, the split often looks fair on paper while still leaning heavier on one partner emotionally or mentally and that imbalance gets overlooked because the bills are split. I’m not saying everyone who prefers 50/50 is wrong - I’m saying it doesn’t work for me. I’m not seeking ‘equality’ in a spreadsheet sense, I’m seeking complementarity. Not better, not worse - just aligned with my values.

You have no lived experience of 'modern' relationships. You constantly refer to values and standards but you're willing to accept so little from a relationship.

LBFseBrom · 19/04/2025 17:30

50/50 where possible is best.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:30

Endofyear · 19/04/2025 15:56

Sorry but you sound absolutely bonkers! What is masculine provider energy? Why wouldn't you want an equal partnership financially?

It’s fine if it sounds bonkers to you - different values resonate with different people. Masculine provide energy just means I value a partner who leads financially, not because I can’t contribute but because I often contribute in other ways that aren’t always visible on paper: emotional support, home management, nurturing the relationship. Some people thrive in equal financial partnerships and that’s great. I simply prefer a dynamic where roles compliment each other rather than mirror each other.

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Switcher · 19/04/2025 17:30

Tradwife blog looking for outrage farming?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 17:31

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:26

Yes, I do understand and I agree that 50/50 doesn’t have to mean identical tasks. But what I’ve found is that in many modern relationships labelled ‘equal’, the split often looks fair on paper while still leaning heavier on one partner emotionally or mentally and that imbalance gets overlooked because the bills are split. I’m not saying everyone who prefers 50/50 is wrong - I’m saying it doesn’t work for me. I’m not seeking ‘equality’ in a spreadsheet sense, I’m seeking complementarity. Not better, not worse - just aligned with my values.

You've just proved you don't know what it means.

An equal relationship doesn't mean you split all bills exactly in half, you both bring in the same amount of money.

An equal relationship means that you are partners. You lean on one another. You split the load as a whole between you equally. For some (you) that might mean the man goes out earning the money while you provide the emotional intelligence. For others (most) it means the money comes in from one or both of you, you both show up emotionally, you both raise your shared children. You don't depend on either of you to do any one particular part of it. You just both show up when needed.

THAT is the true meaning of an equal or "50/50" relationship.

And you 100% don't understand that.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/04/2025 17:32

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:30

It’s fine if it sounds bonkers to you - different values resonate with different people. Masculine provide energy just means I value a partner who leads financially, not because I can’t contribute but because I often contribute in other ways that aren’t always visible on paper: emotional support, home management, nurturing the relationship. Some people thrive in equal financial partnerships and that’s great. I simply prefer a dynamic where roles compliment each other rather than mirror each other.

Most women don't need to contribute more in 'emotional support' because they've chosen a partner who is their equal in all ways. 'Emotional check ins' are unnecessary in a healthy relationship with open communication.

BCSurvivor · 19/04/2025 17:33

For a minute there I thought I'd been transported back to the 1950s.
Wake up OP, it's 2025.

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 17:34

Bluebellwood129 · 19/04/2025 17:29

You have no lived experience of 'modern' relationships. You constantly refer to values and standards but you're willing to accept so little from a relationship.

It's like the OP completely expects that a man won't bring anything to the relationship more than a financial contribution and so is insisting that should be substantial.

It's quite sad that you can't envisage a relationship with someone who matches your contribution in terms of emotions, mental load etc. I suspect it's actual quite a defensive mindset from someone who has never had a relationship with someone who is emotionally competent and capable of sharing the mental load.
There are a lot of men children out there so it doesn't shock me.

I think it's sad that she thinks this is the normative situation, dressing it up as masculine and feminine energy. (Possibly has watched 1 too many American tradwife videos on tiktok).

JudgeJ · 19/04/2025 17:34

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:47

Split finances = split energy.

So you would expect to be kept by a man for allowing him the pleasure of living with you?

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:34

CorneliaCupp · 19/04/2025 16:02

So basically you want a relationship that works for both parties?
Exactly the same thing that everyone wants in a relationship?

I can't particularly see that you're saying anything revolutionary op, just setting the obvious in a cloak of 'alignment' 'polarity' and other fancy words.

Exactly - I’m not trying to be revolutionary. Just intentional. The language might not be for everyone but it helps articulate what some of us have felt but struggled to explain. It’s not about being fancy, it’s about being clear.

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DefinitelyMaybe92 · 19/04/2025 17:34

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:30

It’s fine if it sounds bonkers to you - different values resonate with different people. Masculine provide energy just means I value a partner who leads financially, not because I can’t contribute but because I often contribute in other ways that aren’t always visible on paper: emotional support, home management, nurturing the relationship. Some people thrive in equal financial partnerships and that’s great. I simply prefer a dynamic where roles compliment each other rather than mirror each other.

So… if your goal is roles that complement each other, then you would see how that is not limited by gender… yes? And how this would vary from person to person, relationship to relationship? i.e. the woman could be the “financial leader” and the man could be the “soft emotional… supporter”, or whatever (or - shock horror - they could both do both!)… in which case you agree that YABU to broadly suggest that the man in every relationship simply needs to pay more, yes??

MarkWithaC · 19/04/2025 17:34

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 17:28

Why would you be doing more of the 'invisible labour'? I presume you are talking about cohabiting with a fully grown adult?

Have you ever read a MN thread about childcare/cooking/housework?
Sadly, there seem to be a lot of fully grown adults of the male kind who feel that that sort of thing is beneath them.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/04/2025 17:35

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:34

Exactly - I’m not trying to be revolutionary. Just intentional. The language might not be for everyone but it helps articulate what some of us have felt but struggled to explain. It’s not about being fancy, it’s about being clear.

Being clear that you have such low standards that you're expecting virtually nothing from a partner?

CalicoPusscat · 19/04/2025 17:36

I have a romantic interest but definitely wouldn't move in with him as he's wealthy and I'm not?? I'd feel like a kept pet.

Should be fairly equally divided though with slight adjustment for difference in salaries.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/04/2025 17:36

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 17:34

It's like the OP completely expects that a man won't bring anything to the relationship more than a financial contribution and so is insisting that should be substantial.

It's quite sad that you can't envisage a relationship with someone who matches your contribution in terms of emotions, mental load etc. I suspect it's actual quite a defensive mindset from someone who has never had a relationship with someone who is emotionally competent and capable of sharing the mental load.
There are a lot of men children out there so it doesn't shock me.

I think it's sad that she thinks this is the normative situation, dressing it up as masculine and feminine energy. (Possibly has watched 1 too many American tradwife videos on tiktok).

I agree. It's very sad.

BunnyLake · 19/04/2025 17:37

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:34

Exactly - I’m not trying to be revolutionary. Just intentional. The language might not be for everyone but it helps articulate what some of us have felt but struggled to explain. It’s not about being fancy, it’s about being clear.

So is this thread you have started a hypothetical scenario or are you living this dynamic you describe?

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 17:38

WeHaveTheRabbit · 19/04/2025 16:02

It sounds as though you have never had a long-term, successful relationship? Sorry if that is inaccurate. But if that is the case, you may discover that healthy relationships do not conform to outdated stereotypes about gender roles.

I've been married for 20+ years. Sometimes I have earned more than my husband, sometimes he has earned more, though the discrepancies have never been extreme. Our partnership is based on equality in all respects. You have mentioned "complimentary roles" several times. (BTW I think you mean "complementary.") That sounds like an oddly rigid approach. Surely it is preferable for each partner to provide support, stability, and protection (and whatever else you've mentioned) rather than a strict division based on some tired notions of masculinity and femininity.

Yes I did mean complementary, you’re right. I respect that your relationship is built on equality in the way that works for you and I do agree that stability, support and protection should exist on both sides. But that doesn’t mean every healthy relationship needs to look the same. For some of us, complementarity isn’t about rigid gender roles, it’s about balance and that balance doesn’t have to be symmetrical to be strong. I’m not saying everyone should live this way, just that this is what works for me.

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Middleagedstriker · 19/04/2025 17:38

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:13

You’d be surprised how many women on here actually do agree - they’re just less vocal about it because they know this is the tone they’ll get in response. Not everything has to be posted for agreement. Sometimes it’s about saying what others won’t and letting the conversation unfold from there.

Why don't you do an aibu thread and say this stuff clearly in the first post and do a poll? This will show us how many there are.

OfNoOne · 19/04/2025 17:39

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 16:55

Nope - just a woman with her own mind, her own standards, and no interest in splitting bills or dignity. But thanks for the comparison, I’ll take “First Lady energy” as a compliment.

I wouldn't. It's not a compliment.

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