Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

And this is where you are making claims that without the data are unverifiable.

Because, we know that people with similar mental health issues may show similar results within their sex. Studies need to control for this. Was this at all controlled for?

We also know that people who have similar interests develop brain similarities.

Therefore, unless there is adequate control of these variables, the study has not shown that there were, you are making a claim that has not been shown.

The only claim you can make is that they MAY be more likely to be atypical of their biological sex, but that there is no evidence that this a strong correlation.

It’s absolutely fine for transmen to be in female spaces. They’re female. What they look like is immaterial.

And this proves what exactly? And why do you think it wasn’t used in the Scottish Minister’s evidence?

Which proves what exactly?

Until yesterday they felt entitled to trample all over women’s privacy and safety. The law has clarified that they actually can’t do that, and should never have done that. They can still live their life and are protected based on their gender identity, but they are not entitled to barge into the spaces of the opposite sex anymore

Also there was no change in the law. I’m surprised a scientist doesn’t understand that.

How would you like to go on national TV to discuss the losing side of a battle that was beyond dear to your heart and have the victor say the most hurtful, gratuitous personal thing they could get away with to you?

How would you like to have spent over a decade having your oppressors interpret the law the way they wanted and used that interpretation to trample over you, bully you, gaslight you and appropriate your class?

Frankly women’s empty for TRAs and their feelings ran out a long time ago when it became clear that they gave absolutely no fucks about women.

And you telling women #BeKind to our oppressors, their feelz are more important, just shows your misogyny. These same people don’t mind being hateful to women, and in my book: if you can dish it out you should be able to take it

Exactly. Rather than feeling sorry for themsleves and demonising feminists as evil takers away of rights, they should be apologising

See above

I’m trying to think about what today would look like if the ruling was in favour of self ID. The TRAs would be gloating, posing in toilets, writing letters to everywhere demanding they enforce the ruling etc. can you imagine! And yet women can’t tell truths to the people who would have been doing this and can’t have a moment’s glory for it going in our favour? Fuck that noise.

It makes one wonder why TRAs have always put the onus on women to do better and never men. I wonder why that could possibly be.

I and my female colleagues spent longer than this being discriminated against at work, even though it was illegal. I understand gaslighting.

It is wrong for women to be gaslit and it is equally wrong to claim that because there is some protection in law for trans people they need not worry. I would go so far as to call that gaslighting.

I mean gender is just abstract nonsense really isn’t it, a synonym for personality. It means nothing except stereotypes. Sex is what matters and the law upholds this - observing single sex spaces is fair for everyone

An another way of saying “Women: STFU and #BeKind”

Who cares if women attack other women. Transwomen are still men. Womanhood isn’t awarded on “niceness points”, it’s inherent and immutable and even if the next woman is the biggest twat to walk the earth, she’s still a woman and a man is not.

We do tackle the Andrew Tate mindset BTW. Another person who, like TRAs, reinforces dangerous sexist stereotypes.

Poetry didn’t do ^any* copy and pasting. And the study she cited didn’t have any bearing or proof on the claim that transwomen have lady brains.

Still not gonna tell me what a woman is?

But if she doesn’t believe in ‘gender’ as a thing, what is she supposed to call a man? Why do you think anyone should be compelled to say words they fundamentally disagree either?

Do consider that women should have rights at all?

It's tricky to counter the simplistic way you describe the study but @poetryandwine did a good job of describing the conclusions to you previously and I've also done the same.

But why should women have men (the vast majority of TW are pre op BTW as is their fundamental right to be and stay) in their rape crisis centres and prison cells? Especially when the prisoner TW are sex offenders?

So.... are we going to see the data behind the first study from Bakker? or did @poetryandwine just read the abstract?

Again, people need to stop thinking gender critical women are basing womanhood on what people look like. Someone can have a beard 100 tattoos and back hair, if they’re a woman they’re a woman and therefore pose little to zero threat to other women.

We are the OPPOSITE of caring about this. We are saying “Women can look however they want, they are still women”. Trans people and supporters do the opposite to that. They reinforce stereotypes based on looks and taste.

Yes, absolutely, because she’s a woman and a women’s prison cell is where she would belong

It’s astounding, really. These fully intact males wouldn’t be safe amongst other males, let’s put them in with the women…
I’m assuming Alizee isn’t actually female, because I can’t wrap my head around a woman actually thinking like this.

So the answer is no, women shouldn’t have access to sex based rights?

So what - that person readily believes that men should be able to force their way into women’s spaces and if women object they’re bigots. Misogynists don’t deserve respect. If we are so worried about feelings, what about the feelings of women who’ve put up with this shit for years because a load of men misinterpreted a law?

In The context of the sex based spaces discussion, what conclusion do you think this draws?

It’s SO telling when a poster is more upset at a man’s feelings being hurt than they are that this man correctively rapes women