Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

Why not? Don't you think women should have the right to single sex provision. Like in rape crisis centres? Prisons? You don't think they have the right to male free spaces?

Have you read the judgement? No one's rights have been changed. Everyone who was protected under the Equality Act still is. What 'addition for gender based rights' do you think isn't there?

So you don’t think that women (biological sex) should have the right to single sex spaces?

You’d have to find someone capable of defining gender first.
How would you define it, and why is it more important than sex?

What is hot steaming scientific fact exactly?

There is a difference in published and peer reviewed strength and implied on this thread strength of the conclusion happening here.

Sure. A study can be peer reviewed. Doesn’t mean that the conclusions have not been misrepresented on MN.

If a trans woman is in a rape crisis, it’s because she’s been raped and needs support too. I’m deeply concerned about trans women (especially post op) being put in male prisons. Ultimately these places need to be safe for everyone, I don’t think of trans women being the big bad danger that others appear to think

A thousand hearts, OP

Wow!! I’ve never seen those stats before! Thats really shocking!

I agree that male people who are vulnerable need to be protected in prisons in the Uk. Luckily, we have vulnerable prisoner sections. They can go into the male section into a vulnerable prisoner section.

Did you know a third space was built and ready to go for those male people, and it was rejected by trans activists?

They can have their own rape crisis centres.

So you don't see any issues with women who've been raped by men sharing centres and therapy sessions with men?

You don't see any problem with women being locked up in a cell with a man?

What do you think should happen with trans men? They always seem left out of the argument, have you seen pictures of what some trans men look like? Some are big burly bearded blokes. If you force trans women out of female spaces then you force trans men into them

Why all the concern for men here and none for women being incarcerated with men?

Unfortunately, the statistics show that transwomen commit crime at the same rates as other men. And they are actually more likely to be convicted of sex offences than other men.

Are you comfortable with the idea of a trans man in a cell with a woman? Some are big burly bearded blokes, I’m more uncomfortable with that idea really

Sure. They're women after all.

They’re women.

They're not big burly bearded blokes, they're women. Why do you think the UK prison service never put transmen in mens prisons?

But can't you answer my question about men locked up with women? Is that fair to these women?

I Think trans women are women, so sure they are women after all. But in reality, if it is an issue then it could be cells dedicated to trans women

Sorry your thread has been taken over by the usual OP xxx

Thank you for the OP nonetheless. you speak for so many of us. although we are always drowned out by the same handful of inexhaustible voices we are still here.

❤️

But we just discussed that this ruling is about people's sex based rights and you agreed that people can't change sex. So then in this framework transwomen are not women, they are men. Yes?

1. In what way are transwomen women?

1. As was posted just upthread, the prison service created a separate wing for transwomen prisoners and they rejected it. Because it was never about safety, it was always about access to women.

I said that I think they are women. I’m not subject to court rulings, I’m talking about my ideal world. I want gender included, so that’s how I would handle it

So you don't believe women should have any sex based rights, correct?

That any man who wants should have access to their prison cells and their rape crisis counselling?