CIS

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Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

Babe / dude - I just don’t think you’re getting what other posters are saying on this thread.

Oh I do hope so 🙏

YADNBU

You can’t feel/act/dress like a woman or a girl. You either are one or you aren’t. Cis is a completely redundant term and gender is a made up concept.

Why is “gender” assigned but race is not? Why was I assigned female at birth but not being white? If I decided I was black because I felt black, acted black and dressed black I would be rightly pilloried, so why is sex/“gender” (which is imaginary) any different?

YANBU. I am not a ‘cis’ anything. I’m female. I’m a woman. End of. Can’t wait for the utter end of this nonsense.

And I guess that if you were born a woman, you do not need a prefix to the word which describes your sex.

You're a woman. Just that.

If anyone ever calls me a CIS woman, I shall not be answerable for my actions.

Cis is a misogynist slur, note how it sounds suspiciously like sis/sissy. It definitely isnt coincidental, and i hope that with the new ruling they make it a slur and people who use it can be held accountable

And? Don’t understand where you’re going with this. I was asking the PP I quoted if both women and trans women had to accept being called something they object to?

The comparison with the racial slur you mention is a false one; calling someone a man may be something that doesn't like but it’s not near-universally recognised as offensive. It also doesn’t have the history that’s offensive. If someone wants me to use the feminine forms of address even if they are a man I will because I don’t think that hurts anyone and certainly doesn’t hurt me. But any decision other than the SC one would have been hugely problematic in many ways.

In a functional society we need to have commonality; one person’s preferences cannot dictate how we all behave. Indeed that would be impossible because we all want different things - as demonstrated by the extreme polarisation around this issue. Not everybody can have what they want.

This differs from your racial slur example where a social consensus has largely been achieved - few people other than with the “cultural permission” use it. Those that do are in the vast majority those who mean it to be offensive. Some people are vile.

It really is coincidental that it sounds like "sis" - "cis" is a prefix meaning "the same as", it's the opposite of the prefix "trans". It's a term used in chemistry that has become used to describe gender.

Yeah.... It is coincidental. Someone needs to brush up on their Latin.
Are you also angry at big farmer ? 🐖

The Latin prefix makes zero sense in this context. Women are on the same side as women and men aren’t? Well durr.

I mean in the same way black people can choose a word used to describe them is offensive, so can women. Women in most cases find the word Cis being used to describe them offensive or just unnecessary, it shouldn't be something they have to just accept or get over being called, if they want to use it to describe themselves as an individual, then fine.
Trans women can also choose to call themselves whatever they fancy, but in the same way I can't announce I'm now a black person
... They also are not a woman. I certainly couldn't announce I'm black now and start using words offensive to people that were born black because I wanted to distinguish between myself and them despite also saying white women who decide they are black, are black women. I could wear fake tan to darken my skin, it wouldn't change my biology and it could never make me understand the struggles of racism that they have endured over their lives and it would be unacceptable to pretend to. I wouldn't have the same medical risks, if I lied by self identifying the wrong ethnicity on medical information, it could be harmful to myself but also to useful medical statistics for black people as I would dilute the scientific data which helps to identify if certain ethnicities are at risk of certain medical issues and less people may get medical screening

Basically I'm saying language can be offensive and words being used to describe a massive chunk of society should be dictated by the majority of that, not by the small percentage who aren't part of that society. Transwomen are free to call themselves whatever they like, words like 'tranny' don't get used in general now to describe them as this is outdated and you would never see it in a BBC article why is 'cis' any different, there are few women that would choose to use that word to generally describe themselves, woman is quite sufficient.

Logging male crimes as female ones because they seem themselves as fully female dilutes crime data, could make it seem like male crime is dipping while female crime is increasing.

Language is important. Although I think transwomen should be free to wear what they want, live generally how they want if they are not encroaching on women's single sex spaces, not be abused. I don't think they should take rights or safety measures away from women and I think language has an ability to harm women when misused also

I have read every single post on this brilliant thread. Well done, ladies, women, females and girls for expressing yourselves and holding up for womanhood!

I have also been reading up on the Denton Report, see @Helleofabore link above.

I am utterly shocked and disgusted by this. To believe that a reputable law firm would do this and there is not outrage or accountability.

Wow, is it not for our respected media to extensively report and provide analysis of such important issues?

I consider myself quite informed with current affairs and I do strive to be, but it is only through @Helleofabore posts that it has come to
my attention.

Have a look, those that haven’t!

Apologies sounds like we’re on the same page. I hate “cis”. I find it rude and I wouldn’t use it. Equally in conversation I wouldn’t go out of my way to describe someone as a trans woman, because it’s rude. In general though we need language to distinguish between women and men who feel they are. Trans women works fine. But in my head they are men, and that’s ok as long as I’m polite, I think.

No I also wouldn't go out of my way to call someone a trans woman but I also probably wouldn't reference their race in conversation either if it wasn't relevant to the conversation.

I don't.

I just am a woman.

No need to "identify" as one.

Exactly you are a woman who also identifies as being a woman.

By your logic the feelings a man (ie male born person) has are those of a man by definition. So how can a man be a (trans) woman?

If the innate feelings do not match the sex at birth

I'm just a woman. I don't need to identify as one, because I am one.

HTH

How do I know if my innate feelings match my sex at birth though?

How do men feel like women, then?

They can't possibly know what women's innate feelings are like, because they weren't born female.

I don't understand what you mean.

I hate it and won’t use the label. I identify as a woman, not as a cis woman.