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The US ultra-right should leave the UK alone!!!

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StandFirm · 14/04/2025 10:59

I was going to use a rude expletive in the thread title to truly reflect my thoughts on this. I've known about this insidious creeping influence for a little while but reading the article in the link below has made me livid. We are not going to be censored by foreign actors who understand nothing about our culture. I have often observed a false sense of familiarity among Brits regarding American culture but it goes both ways, and this attempt at dragging us along into the dark pit of ignorance should stay the fuck away from here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

Librarians in UK increasingly asked to remove books, as influence of US pressure groups spreads

Anecdotal evidence suggests a rise in requests to take books off shelves, particularly LGBTQ+ titles

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

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SinnerBoy · 15/04/2025 10:33

Just as The Bell Jar doesn’t celebrate mental health issues and Lord of the Flies doesn’t celebrate bullying and murder of a peer because they’re a bit different.

Quite. Completely unlike a book aimed at children, showing a pubescent girl with mastectomy scars, extolling her great joy at having her breasts removed, among other things.

That absolutely is celebrating self harm.

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 10:49

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 09:22

I just wonder how many incidents of harm to women and girls in single sex spaces matter is enough to make you want to protect women Wombat? Do you have a number in mind?

Wrt reproductive rights, this is another carrot that the Democrats dangled over elections . Wasn't it Obama who failed to deliver his election promise to codify Roe v Wade? If he'd kept it then Trump wouldn't have been able to stack the Supreme Court with the aim over overturning Roe v Wade. It was completely foreseeable and Obama failed women by missing that opportunity whether you like to accept that or not.

The only women's rights that the Democrats appear to be interested in are the ones that also benefit males. Be it so called 'trans inclusion' / destruction of women's single sex spaces, sex work and reproductive rights. Funny that.

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How many deaths from refusal of care to women are you willing to accept as the price for single sex bathrooms? It shouldn't be the case, but that's the trade off that many people seem okay with, despite the lack of evidence of any more risk to harm from trans inclusive bathroom policies.

I'm not a Democrat, but the idea that they're as dangerous to women as Maga is ludicrous.

Middleagedstriker · 15/04/2025 10:52

BlossomBlanket · 14/04/2025 21:14

I haven't read the article, and I don't approve of censorship of any kind. But I find it a bit rich that the left are now so concerned about their freedom to hear certain ideas being curtailed. I really do.

It's not only the left it's also the right just not the far right. I'm pretty certain most traditional conservative voters don't abide with this far right rubbish either.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 11:11

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 10:49

How many deaths from refusal of care to women are you willing to accept as the price for single sex bathrooms? It shouldn't be the case, but that's the trade off that many people seem okay with, despite the lack of evidence of any more risk to harm from trans inclusive bathroom policies.

I'm not a Democrat, but the idea that they're as dangerous to women as Maga is ludicrous.

Why is that a price women should have to pay for access to abortion rights?

Blimey. I can't believe you think that's OK.

But it's a good way from you detracting from owning that you think it's OK for women to be harmed by the loss of single sex spaces.

Women are not to blame for the shit show in the USA.

Both sides of the political divide in the USA have failed women on abortion rights.

GrammarTeacher · 15/04/2025 11:34

SinnerBoy · 15/04/2025 10:33

Just as The Bell Jar doesn’t celebrate mental health issues and Lord of the Flies doesn’t celebrate bullying and murder of a peer because they’re a bit different.

Quite. Completely unlike a book aimed at children, showing a pubescent girl with mastectomy scars, extolling her great joy at having her breasts removed, among other things.

That absolutely is celebrating self harm.

Have you read the book or just seen one page out of context?

GrammarTeacher · 15/04/2025 11:35

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 11:11

Why is that a price women should have to pay for access to abortion rights?

Blimey. I can't believe you think that's OK.

But it's a good way from you detracting from owning that you think it's OK for women to be harmed by the loss of single sex spaces.

Women are not to blame for the shit show in the USA.

Both sides of the political divide in the USA have failed women on abortion rights.

You have been sharing spaces with trans women for decades. It’s only become ‘an issue’ recently. I do wonder why that is.

Rhaidimiddim · 15/04/2025 11:47

The trans movement pressured libraries and booksellers to boycott books and the Guardian was fine with that.

SinnerBoy · 15/04/2025 11:58

GrammarTeacher ·

Have you read the book or just seen one page out of context?

There are screenshots of the entire book online; so yes, I've been unfortunate enough to have seen the entire thing.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 11:59

GrammarTeacher · 15/04/2025 11:35

You have been sharing spaces with trans women for decades. It’s only become ‘an issue’ recently. I do wonder why that is.

Without consent.

There is a word for males who ignore the consent of women.

It has become more of an issue because trans rights activists ignore the consent of women and have promoted an idea that womanhood is something that any man (no matter his motives) can identify into.

And this is not just about toilets, as you know.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:13

C0demane · 15/04/2025 09:44

The US isn’t ready for a female president that was a big reason, the few women that did vote believed his lies and that they’d be better off financially.

OK, first of all, Hilary Clinton won the popular vote. So I don't buy this idea that the US isn't ready for a female president.

Second of all, it's really patronising to suggest that female voters were somehow gullible and deluded or that they don't know what's good for them. Plenty of women out there don't agree with abortion and believe they would never have one themselves, and don't want their kids to be taught gender ideology in schools. If that's where you stand then you'd be pretty pleased with some of the things Trump has done. If you're a female athlete like Riley Gaines who is politically right wing, you'd be bloody delighted.

As for Trump's economic policies, yes the markets have gone a bit nuts recently in response to the tariffs, but this is Trump's second term, and there were certainly voters who were better off economically under the last Trump administration than they would have been under the Democrats. Why would those people not have wanted to re-elect him?

A major, major failing of the political left everywhere is that "progressives" assume themselves to be so obviously morally superior that only stupid, bigoted people could possibly vote differently. And then when they lose elections, instead of reflecting on their own failure, they appear to believe that the only possible explanation for why they didn't win is that too many voters are too stupid and bigoted and voted the wrong way.

Well, that in itself is stupid and bigoted, in my opinion.

And it's not how you get the less engaged voters out on polling day.

In the lead up to the UK general election I knew I wanted the Tories out, but I didn't particularly want anyone else in either. Because I was so disgusted with the way Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens have consistently doubled down on the gender woo and sold women down the river, that I couldn't bring myself to vote for them. And because regardless of how bad the Tories were and how urgently they needed to be gone, I don't think that people who pretend that a woman can have a penis are competent to run a country. I also knew that Labour were almost certain to win, but in my constituency it was between the Tories and the Lib Dems, and the Lib Dems are even more batshit and misogynistic than Labour. I decided on balance that I would rather the Tory candidate in my constituency won, even if I didn't want him to win badly enough to actually vote for him. So I didn't vote.

I now feel somewhat vindicated in my decision, given that Labour appear to be running the country with about the level of competence you might expect from people who say women can have penises.

I have no trouble understanding why people like me in the US didn't turn out in great enough numbers to vote for Kamala Harris. And the Democrats urgently need to reflect on what that says about their own general lack of appeal. People just aren't buying what they're selling, even when the alternative is Trump.

But they won't reflect. They will just put extra insulation around the doors and windows of their echo chamber and sit comfortably inside, bitching about how stupid and bigoted other people are.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:17

GrammarTeacher · 15/04/2025 11:35

You have been sharing spaces with trans women for decades. It’s only become ‘an issue’ recently. I do wonder why that is.

It's been an issue from the very first time a trans person decided to use women's spaces without women's consent.

What's different now is the scale of the problem, and the vitriol directed at anyone brave enough to say it's a problem.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 12:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:13

OK, first of all, Hilary Clinton won the popular vote. So I don't buy this idea that the US isn't ready for a female president.

Second of all, it's really patronising to suggest that female voters were somehow gullible and deluded or that they don't know what's good for them. Plenty of women out there don't agree with abortion and believe they would never have one themselves, and don't want their kids to be taught gender ideology in schools. If that's where you stand then you'd be pretty pleased with some of the things Trump has done. If you're a female athlete like Riley Gaines who is politically right wing, you'd be bloody delighted.

As for Trump's economic policies, yes the markets have gone a bit nuts recently in response to the tariffs, but this is Trump's second term, and there were certainly voters who were better off economically under the last Trump administration than they would have been under the Democrats. Why would those people not have wanted to re-elect him?

A major, major failing of the political left everywhere is that "progressives" assume themselves to be so obviously morally superior that only stupid, bigoted people could possibly vote differently. And then when they lose elections, instead of reflecting on their own failure, they appear to believe that the only possible explanation for why they didn't win is that too many voters are too stupid and bigoted and voted the wrong way.

Well, that in itself is stupid and bigoted, in my opinion.

And it's not how you get the less engaged voters out on polling day.

In the lead up to the UK general election I knew I wanted the Tories out, but I didn't particularly want anyone else in either. Because I was so disgusted with the way Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens have consistently doubled down on the gender woo and sold women down the river, that I couldn't bring myself to vote for them. And because regardless of how bad the Tories were and how urgently they needed to be gone, I don't think that people who pretend that a woman can have a penis are competent to run a country. I also knew that Labour were almost certain to win, but in my constituency it was between the Tories and the Lib Dems, and the Lib Dems are even more batshit and misogynistic than Labour. I decided on balance that I would rather the Tory candidate in my constituency won, even if I didn't want him to win badly enough to actually vote for him. So I didn't vote.

I now feel somewhat vindicated in my decision, given that Labour appear to be running the country with about the level of competence you might expect from people who say women can have penises.

I have no trouble understanding why people like me in the US didn't turn out in great enough numbers to vote for Kamala Harris. And the Democrats urgently need to reflect on what that says about their own general lack of appeal. People just aren't buying what they're selling, even when the alternative is Trump.

But they won't reflect. They will just put extra insulation around the doors and windows of their echo chamber and sit comfortably inside, bitching about how stupid and bigoted other people are.

Yes your position on this matches mine.

I also declined to vote in the last General Election.

It's so sad that it's come to women feeling utterly disenfranchised.

I've cast a vote in every election since I turned 18.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:30

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 12:28

Yes your position on this matches mine.

I also declined to vote in the last General Election.

It's so sad that it's come to women feeling utterly disenfranchised.

I've cast a vote in every election since I turned 18.

Same.

For what it's worth, so far I think Labour have been better than I feared with regards to gender woo, but worse than I hoped in most other respects.

Fingers crossed they manage to pull themselves together.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 12:44

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:30

Same.

For what it's worth, so far I think Labour have been better than I feared with regards to gender woo, but worse than I hoped in most other respects.

Fingers crossed they manage to pull themselves together.

Hope so.

I wonder if they will finally acknowledge that current laws don't adequately protect women. I would like to see that.

I also am waiting to see if they'll listen to concerns about the Children's wellbeing and Schools Bill, which will also disproportionately impact women (especially mothers of children with Sen).

I remember being really worried that the Tories would make cuts that would affect the education of my autistic but disabled children , it beggars belief that it's likely to now happen under Labour. My children are now coming to the age where they no longer need to rely on EHCPs . I feel very sorry for those trying to navigate the system now. And I know there's no money and happened under the Tories blah blah blah, but some of the things that this Bill is proposing is a step too far in transferring powers to the state over parents when their children have Sen. This is a scary prospect. (Michael Charles Education Lawyer is currently lobbying the Government on this).

Anyway I've digressed.

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 12:47

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 11:11

Why is that a price women should have to pay for access to abortion rights?

Blimey. I can't believe you think that's OK.

But it's a good way from you detracting from owning that you think it's OK for women to be harmed by the loss of single sex spaces.

Women are not to blame for the shit show in the USA.

Both sides of the political divide in the USA have failed women on abortion rights.

I didn't say it was OK, in fact I said it wasn't, but it's not me that happily made that choice.

Show me the evidence that women are any less safe in bathrooms than before the trans inclusion legislation.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 15/04/2025 12:51

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 12:47

I didn't say it was OK, in fact I said it wasn't, but it's not me that happily made that choice.

Show me the evidence that women are any less safe in bathrooms than before the trans inclusion legislation.

Why are bathrooms the focus?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 15/04/2025 12:54

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 12:47

I didn't say it was OK, in fact I said it wasn't, but it's not me that happily made that choice.

Show me the evidence that women are any less safe in bathrooms than before the trans inclusion legislation.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/toilets-changing-rooms/

Few articles here for you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:56

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 12:47

I didn't say it was OK, in fact I said it wasn't, but it's not me that happily made that choice.

Show me the evidence that women are any less safe in bathrooms than before the trans inclusion legislation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/11/katie-dolatowski-trans-paedophile-nicola-sturgeon-gender/

Katie Dolatowski's ten year old victim was clearly a hell of a lot less safe, don't you think?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:59

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 10:49

How many deaths from refusal of care to women are you willing to accept as the price for single sex bathrooms? It shouldn't be the case, but that's the trade off that many people seem okay with, despite the lack of evidence of any more risk to harm from trans inclusive bathroom policies.

I'm not a Democrat, but the idea that they're as dangerous to women as Maga is ludicrous.

I think both are unacceptable.

How many women are you willing to accept should be harmed as the price for making all women's single sex spaces inclusive of men?

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 13:01

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 15/04/2025 12:51

Why are bathrooms the focus?

Because that's what the maga messaging focused on.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2025 13:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:56

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/11/katie-dolatowski-trans-paedophile-nicola-sturgeon-gender/

Katie Dolatowski's ten year old victim was clearly a hell of a lot less safe, don't you think?

It beggars belief that after beating a male inmate up in a men's prison he was then transferred to the women's unit.

Absolutely vile.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 13:08

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 13:01

Because that's what the maga messaging focused on.

Which makes sense. Because we all use public toilets. Most of us don't compete in sport or end up in prison.

Rhaidimiddim · 15/04/2025 13:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:13

OK, first of all, Hilary Clinton won the popular vote. So I don't buy this idea that the US isn't ready for a female president.

Second of all, it's really patronising to suggest that female voters were somehow gullible and deluded or that they don't know what's good for them. Plenty of women out there don't agree with abortion and believe they would never have one themselves, and don't want their kids to be taught gender ideology in schools. If that's where you stand then you'd be pretty pleased with some of the things Trump has done. If you're a female athlete like Riley Gaines who is politically right wing, you'd be bloody delighted.

As for Trump's economic policies, yes the markets have gone a bit nuts recently in response to the tariffs, but this is Trump's second term, and there were certainly voters who were better off economically under the last Trump administration than they would have been under the Democrats. Why would those people not have wanted to re-elect him?

A major, major failing of the political left everywhere is that "progressives" assume themselves to be so obviously morally superior that only stupid, bigoted people could possibly vote differently. And then when they lose elections, instead of reflecting on their own failure, they appear to believe that the only possible explanation for why they didn't win is that too many voters are too stupid and bigoted and voted the wrong way.

Well, that in itself is stupid and bigoted, in my opinion.

And it's not how you get the less engaged voters out on polling day.

In the lead up to the UK general election I knew I wanted the Tories out, but I didn't particularly want anyone else in either. Because I was so disgusted with the way Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens have consistently doubled down on the gender woo and sold women down the river, that I couldn't bring myself to vote for them. And because regardless of how bad the Tories were and how urgently they needed to be gone, I don't think that people who pretend that a woman can have a penis are competent to run a country. I also knew that Labour were almost certain to win, but in my constituency it was between the Tories and the Lib Dems, and the Lib Dems are even more batshit and misogynistic than Labour. I decided on balance that I would rather the Tory candidate in my constituency won, even if I didn't want him to win badly enough to actually vote for him. So I didn't vote.

I now feel somewhat vindicated in my decision, given that Labour appear to be running the country with about the level of competence you might expect from people who say women can have penises.

I have no trouble understanding why people like me in the US didn't turn out in great enough numbers to vote for Kamala Harris. And the Democrats urgently need to reflect on what that says about their own general lack of appeal. People just aren't buying what they're selling, even when the alternative is Trump.

But they won't reflect. They will just put extra insulation around the doors and windows of their echo chamber and sit comfortably inside, bitching about how stupid and bigoted other people are.

All of what you say.

With the addition that the Democrats insulted their voter base by asking them to vote for a guy so patently geriatric that I'd be worried about his ability to handle a trip to the supermarket and back. And only withdrew him as their candidate when called out on it by George Clooney.

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 13:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 12:59

I think both are unacceptable.

How many women are you willing to accept should be harmed as the price for making all women's single sex spaces inclusive of men?

Edited

None. But if I had to choose between either maga and all that comes with it and limited trans rights (and they were limited in a majority of states even under Biden) under the Democratics it's a no-brainer.

Do you think they'll be more or less single sex spaces for women after this administration than there were before?

TheWombatleague · 15/04/2025 13:14

Middleagedstriker · 15/04/2025 10:52

It's not only the left it's also the right just not the far right. I'm pretty certain most traditional conservative voters don't abide with this far right rubbish either.

They were alright enough with it to vote for it.