The US ultra-right should leave the UK alone!!!

[StandFirm]

I was going to use a rude expletive in the thread title to truly reflect my thoughts on this. I've known about this insidious creeping influence for a little while but reading the article in the link below has made me livid. We are not going to be censored by foreign actors who understand nothing about our culture. I have often observed a false sense of familiarity among Brits regarding American culture but it goes both ways, and this attempt at dragging us along into the dark pit of ignorance should stay the fuck away from here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

Exactly.

The reason American women lack basic rights which women enjoy in pretty much every other country in the developed world (and much of the developing world, come to that) is because they are a two party state and both of those parties hate women.

Ah, you have no clue how our electoral system works.

Explains a lot.

Lol. You are so arrogant it's quite funny.
If Reform wins the next GE, then I presume it'll be Farage. Unless he is replaced as party leader but as he's got the big relationships with the big money I'd say that's quite unlikely.

A year or so ago, an American woman I used to be friends with told me that even if JK Rowling might have a point about some stuff (such as male rapists being locked up in women's prisons, and British women not having any access to single sex rape crisis support), she shouldn't say anything about it because people in America can read her tweets and Trump is mean to trans people.

How does standing shoulder to shoulder with women like that help women in the UK?

I think they should sort their own shit out and leave us alone to do likewise.

The audacity of suggesting that a British feminist should stop talking about issues affecting women in the UK because the US is a shitty basket case where feminism has failed.

No.

Stop trying to drag the rest of the world down with you.

Only someone who doesn't understand how the electoral system works could imagine that Reform might win the next general election.

The risk is there- they may have very little seats right now but the whole point of first-past-the-post/ winner-takes-all is that if they continue to rise in the polls so that it flips in enough constituencies, it could flip massively. Maybe not 2029 but the next. That's what the Tories have been worried about for ages as it could make them history. Parties have died like this before. It's a very rare thing because by and large the system is stable but when it does flip, it means the new player is there to stay (at least as party of the opposition). Get my drift?

Well, I don't believe there is any chance of Reform winning the next general election or even the one after that, but if you believe this is a risk, that is all the more reason for Labour not to take its cues from the US Democrats, whose brand of identity politics is even more detested by no nonsense British voters than it is by their own electorate (who couldn't bring themselves to vote Kamala in sufficient numbers to stop Trump getting back in).

I’m not sure about this. It has been worked through with an understanding of the electoral system and MRP poll just recently put Reform in front, enough to be in power. If a GE was held today that is.

Well for a start, Labour should not do a deal with this administration. They should make sure the relationship with the EU is properly reset. The whole 'play both sides' is only going to hurt us.
You don't 'manage' fascists, you resist them.

That's one thing we can agree on.

That's a start.

Well by saying “focusing on trans issues is a distraction” and refocusing on things such as the spike in maternal death rates - seems like they are focusing on “actual female people.”

I'm sure that will come as a huge comfort to the women who have been raped by trans identifying male prisoners in California prisons.

Anyway, my point is that they are crap at feminism, which is why they have practically developing world levels of maternal mortality in the first place.

The only thing they can teach the rest of the world about feminism is how not to do it.

But what do you expect when their preeminent expert in the field is that fraud Judith Butler?

It will definitely come as a comfort to the women who have died needlessly and those to come unless changes are made to these laws.

Sorry but I don't clap like a seal for C- level feminism.

Well I clap for those attempting to save women’s lives but you do you.

Those women's lives wouldn't be at risk in the first place if America was the amazing country it seems to believe itself to be.

Things like this are the reason why they need to focus on sorting their own shit out and stop telling other countries what to do and exporting their backwards bullshit ideologies to the rest of the world.

Admittedly I do feel quite sore about this having been the target of a pile on by 50 American women who told me that putting female people first is bigotry and not feminism.

Things like this are the reason why they need to focus on sorting their own shit out and stop telling other countries what to do and exporting their backwards bullshit ideologies to the rest of the world.

I agree. As does the person who started this thread.

@StandFirm Are you back again? I thought you flounced off in high dudgeon two days ago.

It's my thread, I can do what I like.

For those worried about erasing women from existence, here's a great illustration of the kind of impact the US right will be having on our health as women because gender-specific research can no longer be funded under the Trump regime (like it or not, the US was up until now at the forefront of global medical research so we should all be worried): https://19thnews.org/2025/03/women-lgbtq-health-research-trump-funding/

"The administration is reducing the workforce at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the agency that oversees public health research, while trying to slash NIH funding to universities. (...) Agency employees have been warned not to approve grants that include words such as “women,” “trans” or “diversity.”
"That could mean halting efforts to improve the nation’s understanding of conditions that predominantly affect women, including endometriosis, menopause, infectious diseases contracted in pregnancy and pregnancy-related death. It could also stall research meant to treat conditions such as asthma, heart disease, depression and substance abuse disorders, which have different health implications for women versus men, and also have outsized impacts on LGBTQ+ people and people of color — often under-researched patients."

Anyone interested in the future of women's health should look into what is going on in the US (see article above).
Thankfully, the UK has rejoined the Horizon scientific programme (EU + associated countries) but those cuts to US research are still bad news.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14635075/Harry-Potter-star-savages-JK-Rowling-bigot-Andrew-Tate-trans.html

Another ingrate from the wizarding world.

I think the word "star" is somewhat of an exaggeration here.

Sean who?