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The US ultra-right should leave the UK alone!!!

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StandFirm · 14/04/2025 10:59

I was going to use a rude expletive in the thread title to truly reflect my thoughts on this. I've known about this insidious creeping influence for a little while but reading the article in the link below has made me livid. We are not going to be censored by foreign actors who understand nothing about our culture. I have often observed a false sense of familiarity among Brits regarding American culture but it goes both ways, and this attempt at dragging us along into the dark pit of ignorance should stay the fuck away from here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

Librarians in UK increasingly asked to remove books, as influence of US pressure groups spreads

Anecdotal evidence suggests a rise in requests to take books off shelves, particularly LGBTQ+ titles

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

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JHound · 17/04/2025 21:09

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 20:07

I suppose if that helps people but Labour are sliding down in the polls. Especially in relation to GE. I guess we’ll see how the local elections and Runcorn go.

The key point was whoever they take votes from here people are better off looking at Labour’s policies than the US. The impact and outcomes are more domestic than that.

People don’t care about the US policies as long as they stay within the US borders. I don’t want their right wing fascism over here

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 21:37

JHound · 17/04/2025 21:09

People don’t care about the US policies as long as they stay within the US borders. I don’t want their right wing fascism over here

Our policies are our own. Whoever we vote for is more to do with the electorate here than the US. Their influence isn’t as strong as people getting fed up with the gov and voting them out for example.

cariadlet · 18/04/2025 00:30

StandFirm · 17/04/2025 16:29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_UK
It's a thing.
They are franchising their ideology which is basically anti-everything except white males.
(I am now expecting to hear that Wikipedia is biased...)

Wikipedia is totally biased.

I value it as a source of info for topics such as sloths or medieval history or Impressionism where I can be reasonably sure that the article is written by someone with relevant expertise and no axe to grind.

When it comes to politics or gender ideology, I know the writers will have their own opinions and biases but - unlike books, newspaper articles, Substacks, YouTube videos or podcasts - the reader has no idea who the author(s) is/are so can't check them out.

A few years ago, I tried editing the gushing, uncritical article about Drag Queen Story Hour by adding factual examples of concerns that educators had raised and and of proponents of DQSH who were later arrested for CSA. I included reputable links for everything I wrote. I didn't delete the supportive stuff. I didn't try to turn it into an anti DQSH article (although I am personally very opposed); I tried to make it a balanced article.

My edits were removed and I was sent a warning email in the name of the founder of Wikipedia.

So yes, I do think that Wikipedia is biased.

SnoopyPajamas · 18/04/2025 10:38

StandFirm · 17/04/2025 14:54

Funny how some posters can be on MN and not know about name changing. Preserving anonymity online has never been more important.
Clearly this thread touched a nerve with a couple of people, which I think is interesting in itself. I'm not interested in a bun fight though.
(As an aside, foreign influence in both left and right wing politics is nothing new and it is mostly carried out locally anyway so no, I wouldn't play 'spot the American').

I have no issue with a name change. What I find strange, as I said, is that you claim to be both passionate about women's rights, and a regular user of Mumsnet. But you don't read the feminism board, and you're apparently completely unaware of the state of play of UK feminism. All of the recent high profile cases in UK feminism passed you by, and you act like you've never heard the most basic gender critical arguments.

You're very clued in on everything American though, and have a "the world revolves around America" attitude which is not typical of UK women.

No-one's coming for your privacy, by the way. Your nationality is not that identifying. Calm down. I notice you haven't actually denied being American though. Nor have you answered any of my questions about what specifically it is that you fear, regarding American influence on UK women's rights.

SnoopyPajamas · 18/04/2025 10:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 17:01

I don't see the problem.

This article is about an American nutter, who came to the UK, broke UK laws about protesting outside abortion clinics, and was dealt with in court. Comments from across the pond from people who have no authority in the UK about her right to free speech seem to have been met with the big old shrug they deserved.

It is an article about American right wingers failing to influence UK law and policy.

American commenters on the right really seemed to love this case. But in the UK it was met with, as you say, a big old shrug.

The UK attitude is that prayer is a private thing anyway. You can do it at home or in a church. It's between you and God. If you're doing it in public, and being so obvious people can tell, then it's not about praying, it's about making a statement. And that's a very different thing.

The American attitude to religion is far more in your face than the UK. They tried to make fetch happen with this, as an example of the UK 'suppressing religious freedoms'. But that really only resonated with American audiences. I didn't see a single British person in any of those comment sections. The British take is that this praying outside an abortion clinic was an obvious attempt to guilt trip the women going inside, and we don't hold with that sort of thing here. There's a time and a place for the abortion debate, and it shouldn't involve targeting women at their most vulnerable. End of.

The whole thing is a good example of how American attempts to influence UK opinion often fail. They try to map their own cultural context onto a country where it just doesn't apply.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 11:09

SnoopyPajamas · 18/04/2025 10:58

American commenters on the right really seemed to love this case. But in the UK it was met with, as you say, a big old shrug.

The UK attitude is that prayer is a private thing anyway. You can do it at home or in a church. It's between you and God. If you're doing it in public, and being so obvious people can tell, then it's not about praying, it's about making a statement. And that's a very different thing.

The American attitude to religion is far more in your face than the UK. They tried to make fetch happen with this, as an example of the UK 'suppressing religious freedoms'. But that really only resonated with American audiences. I didn't see a single British person in any of those comment sections. The British take is that this praying outside an abortion clinic was an obvious attempt to guilt trip the women going inside, and we don't hold with that sort of thing here. There's a time and a place for the abortion debate, and it shouldn't involve targeting women at their most vulnerable. End of.

The whole thing is a good example of how American attempts to influence UK opinion often fail. They try to map their own cultural context onto a country where it just doesn't apply.

Yes. Exactly this.

It's another reason why the "JK Rowling is an evil right wing Nazi" narrative hasn't really taken off in the UK the way it has in the US.

JK Rowling has always been extremely vocal about her political opinions. If you were aware of her social media activity at all before all the trans stuff kicked off, you'd know that she is a dyed in the wool leftie who has donated huge amounts of money to the Labour Party, is friends with Gordon and Sarah Brown, cares passionately about the rights of women and children, is staunchly anti-bullying, campaigned for Scotland to remain in the UK and for the UK to remain in the EU, and has complete and utter contempt for people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage.

So if you're aware of those things and you hear that she is an evil bigot who has been radicalised by the far right into hating an oppressed and vulnerable minority, your instinct is to say, "That doesn't sound very likely, what has she actually said?"

Whereas if you know absolutely fuck all about the UK and your only frame of reference is that the only people who don't believe trans women are women are right wing fundamentalists who also want to ban abortion, you're more likely to say, "Seems legit. Wow, what an evil TERF she is. She's turned into Voldemort from her own books."

It's just Americans thinking that the world revolves around them and their politics. Twas ever thus.

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:18
  1. what I read or don't read - how can anyone know? I haven't referred to the feminism board, no, so? Doesn't mean I don't 'care' about women's rights. How sanctimonious. No group of posters 'owns' a topic.
  2. Nationality - I have shared in my posts the info I'm comfortable with sharing. I have said I am British a few times btw- is that so hard to believe? In any case, I don't think it's a state secret but I really dislike how this speculation questions the legitimacy of my comments. What if I were American? Is that a crime? MN is for everyone. Incidentally, people are more than their passports, they are also more than their genetics. They can also (shock horror) have more than one nationality.
  3. My world revolves around the US - lol, I talk about US issues because they are very relevant to the rest of us at this time (years ago I was discussing Brexit): Tariffs impact us, Trump dropping NATO (or near enough) will mean more defence spending therefore more tax, anti-abortion rhetoric (already a problem in NI) will definitely impact women's healthcare if we let it, a UK-US trade deal will impact us (shit food, at least the stuff they want to push down our throats is the stuff I NEVER buy over there). I could go on.
  4. More to the point: I shared an article which flags a potential new danger (whatever homegrown activists have already been doing is not the point here) The intention of this thread was to point out that there might be a new threat coming from the same groups that have been pushing the MAGA/Project 2025 agenda. They are imperialists and we ignore them at our peril. How pointing this out necessarily means I agree with cancel culture is bizarre.
  5. The claim I think UK women are stupid - WTAF?? I don't think they're stupid anymore than I think American women are stupid, and they have to deal with the MAGA shit every single day now. The ways that the evangelical right has gained ground there is very multilayered. It's not because US women were so 'stupid' that they let it happen. Doesn't work that way. We are underestimating the US far right's influence on the UK and the rest of Europe at our peril. They won't come with tanks - a lot of it is about projecting a different kind of soft power, an illiberal one, which will shift the cultural discourse ever more towards authoritarianism (left or right are no longer relevant here) so that parties like Reform or even more extreme iterations may find favourable conditions for their win.

I will leave this thread now because honestly it's fucking draining.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 11:21

OK, so you shared a poorly researched and misleading article which implies that there is a new danger but provides absolutely no evidence to support this claim at all.

Hopefully this will be a lesson to you to employ your critical thinking skills when reading such articles in the future and analyse whether they actually hold water or not before presenting them as fact and getting your arse handed to you.

Better luck next time.

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:23

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StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:41

I see my previous reply got deleted. Rephrasing: PP can take their* condescending passive aggressive digs and travel to some very remote place sheltered from the sunshine.
(*their/them/they - I don't know if they are a woman after all, what proof do I have?)

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 11:42

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:41

I see my previous reply got deleted. Rephrasing: PP can take their* condescending passive aggressive digs and travel to some very remote place sheltered from the sunshine.
(*their/them/they - I don't know if they are a woman after all, what proof do I have?)

Your previous reply was an aggressive and foul mouthed personal attack which is clearly against the Talk Guidelines.

When you resort to behaviour like that, it is clear that you have lost the argument. Do better.

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:44

You are one to talk!

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 11:45

I have been perfectly civil.

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:46

But well, I don't want my thread deleted so whatever personal attacks come my way I will refrain from replying.

I strongly suspect that's the goal here...

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 11:58

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 11:46

But well, I don't want my thread deleted so whatever personal attacks come my way I will refrain from replying.

I strongly suspect that's the goal here...

The way to respond to personal attacks is via the report button.

If you are worried about your thread being deleted if you continue to post on it, that rather sounds like you don't feel capable of having a civil discussion. Which is a shame.

StandFirm · 18/04/2025 12:05

You are being deliberately goady is what I mean.

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Sabire9 · 18/04/2025 14:53

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

JK Rowling's obsessive focus on this issue is a puzzle to people like me because if we weren't constantly exposed to articles about transgender issues in the media, most of us would scarcely know transgender people exist. Does beg the question why Rowling has expended such a colossal amount of energy on it.
In the grand scheme of things it's about 999 on a list of 1000 things that might impact negatively on my life as a woman.

I think TERFS have been radicalised and I think the evidence for this is that some of them, like Rowling, who have traditionally been on the left prior to becoming engaged with this issue have now happily and uncritically got into bed with the openly misogynist far right when it comes to uniting to further marginalise and stigmatise the trans community.

I think it's an ideological issue for them and they collectively feel a colossal amount of antipathy and contempt for transgender women - I've read through threads on the Feminist and Gender discussions boards on here and come away feeling soiled by it. Some of the commentary is hideous. I genuinely fear for the emotional safety of gender non-conforming people who might come into the orbit of some of these posters, given that some of them are probably teachers, nurses or other people in positions of trust and authority over vulnerable individuals.

FrippEnos · 18/04/2025 16:00

Sabire9

Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that it doesn't affect other people.
I don't presume to speak for JKR, But I do know that she is a sexual abuser survivor. Which means that men in women's safe spaces directly affects her.
It also directly affects any other woman that wants to get help from these single sex spaces.

You like so many others are confusing having a singular view as being radicalised, its a poor statement to make and is often done so to shutdown discussions, (remember #nodebate and which side that came from).

Very few people hate trans women, but they should be counted as what they are , again remembering that the term trans has been changed from what it was to what it now is.

As for your poke at Teachers, nurse and people in authority, if any of these support the trans position in in current state of providing puberty blockers, chest binders etc. for children or teens should be removed from the job on the grounds of safeguarding.

Non of this says that trans people don't exist.
They have made enough noise so that we all know.
But when you are ready to look at violence, disruption and intimidation the first place to look would be at trans people and their allies at Let women speak rallies, or any any attempt to discuss the issue.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 16:23

Sabire9 · 18/04/2025 14:53

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

JK Rowling's obsessive focus on this issue is a puzzle to people like me because if we weren't constantly exposed to articles about transgender issues in the media, most of us would scarcely know transgender people exist. Does beg the question why Rowling has expended such a colossal amount of energy on it.
In the grand scheme of things it's about 999 on a list of 1000 things that might impact negatively on my life as a woman.

I think TERFS have been radicalised and I think the evidence for this is that some of them, like Rowling, who have traditionally been on the left prior to becoming engaged with this issue have now happily and uncritically got into bed with the openly misogynist far right when it comes to uniting to further marginalise and stigmatise the trans community.

I think it's an ideological issue for them and they collectively feel a colossal amount of antipathy and contempt for transgender women - I've read through threads on the Feminist and Gender discussions boards on here and come away feeling soiled by it. Some of the commentary is hideous. I genuinely fear for the emotional safety of gender non-conforming people who might come into the orbit of some of these posters, given that some of them are probably teachers, nurses or other people in positions of trust and authority over vulnerable individuals.

I literally could not disagree any harder with all this.

Nobody who has actually read her essay on this topic or her regular comments since or indeed listened to the seven hour podcast about it could reasonably accuse her of "happily and uncritically [getting] into bed with the openly misogynist far right".

In my experience, the people who fling this accusation around with as much enthusiasm as they use the misogynistic slur "TERF" have not taken even the smallest amount of trouble to find out what she has actually said, much less understand her reasoning. Nor are they ever capable of quoting any "transphobic" thing she has said or explaining why, in their opinion, it is transphobic. Instead they are full of creative alternatives to providing any such evidence, such as, "Everything she's ever said on this subject is transphobic" and "Google it, I'm not doing the work for you."

These are people who get their political opinions in a package deal from their preferred political tribe and do not engage in any critical thinking whatsoever.

The fact that JK Rowling and other gender critical feminists have diverged from their long term political allies on this subject actually indicates that they have thought long and hard about it. Humans are social animals and most of us don't like to leave the protection and comfort of the rest of the herd, or be ostracised for going against the opinion of the majority.

JK Rowling and other gender critical feminists have explained time and time again their reasoning for the position they have taken.

The fact that the far right acknowledge that biological sex is real, binary and immutable does not make this a far right point of view.

Rather, the fact that much of the political left has taken the position that sex is changeable, that men and women should be defined according to sexist gender stereotypes instead, and that female people don't have the right to say no to male people, shows that the left has lost its goddamn mind.

JK Rowling and others have parted company with the rest of the political left in relation to this one issue because they are feminists, and because in relation to this issue, the left is every bit as misogynistic as the far right.

Women in America are faced with a binary choice between a party which knows what women are and doesn't believe they should have the right to an abortion, and a party which believes that female people should have the right to an abortion but otherwise denies that female people are a coherent group which we need a word for and which needs its own sex based rights.

The "liberal feminists" in the US (who are in fact neither liberal nor feminist) should probably stop flinging shit at JK Rowling (as if she is in any way responsible for the actions of the president of their country) and start asking themselves whether, if they stopped arguing about pronouns and started centering actual women in their feminism, they might have a few more rights.

Women in America are lacking basic rights that they would have in every other developed country in the world (and a fair few developing ones), such as the right to paid maternity leave and the right not to be fired for daring to get pregnant.

The only thing Americans have to teach the rest of the world about feminism, is how not to do it. They are quite frankly complete fucking numpties who are largely unaware of anything that happens outside their own borders. Their most celebrated feminist academic is a woman who pretends not to be a woman or even know what one is because she thinks that being one is so deeply uncool.

They are, to a certain extent, a product of their poor education system, fucked up political system and low quality media.

Here in the UK, we actually have a viable alternative. We have left wing feminists like JK Rowling who aren't afraid to speak out and say, "Yes, trans rights matter, but not at the expense of women's rights."

We have feminists who actually speak out for the women who can't necessarily speak for themselves, such as the female prisoners incarcerated with male rapists, the sexual assault survivors denied appropriate care, the elderly female patients raped on single sex hospital wards, the vulnerable children being pushed towards medicalisation by ghoulish doctors, the women fired from their jobs for daring to question it all.

We have politicians on both the left and right who are increasingly willing to speak out and say, "This isn't right. Women's rights matter. Safeguarding matters. We need to rethink how we are doing things."

We also have a Supreme Court which has just confirmed that JK Rowling is right. That women are female, trans women are men, and our rights aren't subordinate to theirs.

So if you are from the UK and you are still getting your tired old opinions about gender critical feminism from uneducated muppets in America, that's on you.

And if you're from America, welcome to Mumsnet, but but your liberal faux-minism won't wash here. We're made of stronger stuff.

Sabire9 · 18/04/2025 18:25

FrippEnos · 18/04/2025 16:00

Sabire9

Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that it doesn't affect other people.
I don't presume to speak for JKR, But I do know that she is a sexual abuser survivor. Which means that men in women's safe spaces directly affects her.
It also directly affects any other woman that wants to get help from these single sex spaces.

You like so many others are confusing having a singular view as being radicalised, its a poor statement to make and is often done so to shutdown discussions, (remember #nodebate and which side that came from).

Very few people hate trans women, but they should be counted as what they are , again remembering that the term trans has been changed from what it was to what it now is.

As for your poke at Teachers, nurse and people in authority, if any of these support the trans position in in current state of providing puberty blockers, chest binders etc. for children or teens should be removed from the job on the grounds of safeguarding.

Non of this says that trans people don't exist.
They have made enough noise so that we all know.
But when you are ready to look at violence, disruption and intimidation the first place to look would be at trans people and their allies at Let women speak rallies, or any any attempt to discuss the issue.

@FrippEnos

"Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that it doesn't affect other people."

If you did a survey of women and asked when they've encountered a transgender woman in a woman's space you could talk to very very large numbers of women and not encounter a single one who could recall having had that experience. If you wanted to find someone who'd been assaulted or threatened by a transgender person in a women's space you'd literally have to survey tens of thousands of women to find a single person who's had that experience.

Statistically it absolutely cannot affect the vast majority of women, because there's only 1 transgender woman to every 750 females in this country. If you then consider that the overwhelming majority of transgender women have never been involved in any predatory or criminal behaviour you then need to consider why there's such a strong perception that transgender women in women's spaces are such a particular and important threat to the safety of women, that it warrants vast number of column inches in the newspapers, millions of pounds spend on campaigning and legal action by anti-trans pressure groups, and literally thousands of tweets on the subject by J K Rowling.

Five minutes spent looking at the demographics of violence against women in this country will show you that the biggest issue is women being unable to escape domestic violence relationships or access appropriate police help with dealing with violent and controlling ex partners - in terms of the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations. It's hundreds of women killed, and thousands of women and children traumatised and damaged. Now ask yourself why JK Rowling has devoted so much energy, time and money to the issue of keeping transgender women out of women's spaces in the name of 'women's safety' - that this is her focus and priority in regard to this issue.

Sabire9 · 18/04/2025 18:39

"As for your poke at Teachers, nurse and people in authority, if any of these support the trans position in in current state of providing puberty blockers, chest binders etc. for children or teens should be removed from the job on the grounds of safeguarding."

There are zero safeguarding issues here for teachers and nurses because the only people who are making decisions about surgery or medication in relation to gender affirming clinical care are doctors who are caring for children and adults with gender dysphoria. The vast majority of people who have strong opinions on this issue have no business advising anyone else, because they're not people with any qualifications, training or education in this area.

"Non of this says that trans people don't exist. They have made enough noise so that we all know." The arrogance and nastiness of this comment. It reminds me of every MAGA talking point on racism - the view that racism wouldn't exist if black people stopped talking about it all the time, and that black people clapping back at racists are just playing the victim. Yuck. You just want transgender people to shut up and go away, or at least render themselves invisible on social media, so that the only loud voices left on this issue will be the most powerful people with the biggest megaphones: Trump, JK Rowling and all of their millions of trans hating acolytes.

"But when you are ready to look at violence, disruption and intimidation the first place to look would be at trans people and their allies at Let women speak rallies, or any any attempt to discuss the issue."

Again - you remind me of all the horrible MAGA currently complaining that people having their teslas vandalised is the evidence you need to prove that all leftists are dangerous, violent, deranged criminals.

TERFS have engaged in so much demagoguery. It's been a feature of the campaign against transgender rights. You do it as easily as you breath and you have absolutely no awareness that you're doing it.

FrippEnos · 19/04/2025 10:43

Sabire9 · 18/04/2025 18:25

@FrippEnos

"Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that it doesn't affect other people."

If you did a survey of women and asked when they've encountered a transgender woman in a woman's space you could talk to very very large numbers of women and not encounter a single one who could recall having had that experience. If you wanted to find someone who'd been assaulted or threatened by a transgender person in a women's space you'd literally have to survey tens of thousands of women to find a single person who's had that experience.

Statistically it absolutely cannot affect the vast majority of women, because there's only 1 transgender woman to every 750 females in this country. If you then consider that the overwhelming majority of transgender women have never been involved in any predatory or criminal behaviour you then need to consider why there's such a strong perception that transgender women in women's spaces are such a particular and important threat to the safety of women, that it warrants vast number of column inches in the newspapers, millions of pounds spend on campaigning and legal action by anti-trans pressure groups, and literally thousands of tweets on the subject by J K Rowling.

Five minutes spent looking at the demographics of violence against women in this country will show you that the biggest issue is women being unable to escape domestic violence relationships or access appropriate police help with dealing with violent and controlling ex partners - in terms of the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations. It's hundreds of women killed, and thousands of women and children traumatised and damaged. Now ask yourself why JK Rowling has devoted so much energy, time and money to the issue of keeping transgender women out of women's spaces in the name of 'women's safety' - that this is her focus and priority in regard to this issue.

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One transwoman winning a female sport will have a knock on effect for every woman that comes after them.

Every transwoman that plays in a competitive or non competitive sport takes a woman's place.

Every transwoman that enters a swimming pool changing room during a women's only session prevents a woman from swimming.

This could be to do with religion, it could be to do with a woman not feeling safe.

Yet what these women feel is discarded due to the feelings of a man.

FrippEnos · 19/04/2025 10:48

Sabire9 · 18/04/2025 18:39

"As for your poke at Teachers, nurse and people in authority, if any of these support the trans position in in current state of providing puberty blockers, chest binders etc. for children or teens should be removed from the job on the grounds of safeguarding."

There are zero safeguarding issues here for teachers and nurses because the only people who are making decisions about surgery or medication in relation to gender affirming clinical care are doctors who are caring for children and adults with gender dysphoria. The vast majority of people who have strong opinions on this issue have no business advising anyone else, because they're not people with any qualifications, training or education in this area.

"Non of this says that trans people don't exist. They have made enough noise so that we all know." The arrogance and nastiness of this comment. It reminds me of every MAGA talking point on racism - the view that racism wouldn't exist if black people stopped talking about it all the time, and that black people clapping back at racists are just playing the victim. Yuck. You just want transgender people to shut up and go away, or at least render themselves invisible on social media, so that the only loud voices left on this issue will be the most powerful people with the biggest megaphones: Trump, JK Rowling and all of their millions of trans hating acolytes.

"But when you are ready to look at violence, disruption and intimidation the first place to look would be at trans people and their allies at Let women speak rallies, or any any attempt to discuss the issue."

Again - you remind me of all the horrible MAGA currently complaining that people having their teslas vandalised is the evidence you need to prove that all leftists are dangerous, violent, deranged criminals.

TERFS have engaged in so much demagoguery. It's been a feature of the campaign against transgender rights. You do it as easily as you breath and you have absolutely no awareness that you're doing it.

you have taken so much time to write this response yet all it shows is your bias and lack of ability to discuss a point without making derogatory comments about the person that you are replying to.

As for the reference to Black people and racism, now that is a disgusting comparison.

As for the MAGA comparison, this is not America and America is not the be all and end of of this.

And the violence, watch what the TRAs have done, the rape threads that they have sent, and the Doxxing that they have taken part in. then come and pretend that they are the victims.

StandFirm · 19/04/2025 17:13

The UK may not yet be under MAGA influence but the whole point of this thread is to point out that 1) they would like it to be and 2) Project 2025 is what sums up the moral agenda. Excellent video recapping what that means here. Starts with point 1, restore the male-led family unit:

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