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The US ultra-right should leave the UK alone!!!

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StandFirm · 14/04/2025 10:59

I was going to use a rude expletive in the thread title to truly reflect my thoughts on this. I've known about this insidious creeping influence for a little while but reading the article in the link below has made me livid. We are not going to be censored by foreign actors who understand nothing about our culture. I have often observed a false sense of familiarity among Brits regarding American culture but it goes both ways, and this attempt at dragging us along into the dark pit of ignorance should stay the fuck away from here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

Librarians in UK increasingly asked to remove books, as influence of US pressure groups spreads

Anecdotal evidence suggests a rise in requests to take books off shelves, particularly LGBTQ+ titles

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

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StandFirm · 17/04/2025 16:01

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 16:00

Trump, Musk, Vance, Maga, Project 2025 can stay the fuck out of the UK

Thank you.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 16:22

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 16:00

Trump, Musk, Vance, Maga, Project 2025 can stay the fuck out of the UK

They are out of the UK. The world does not revolve around America and its fucked up political system.

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

It's not wrong to say that men shouldn't be competing in women's sports just because that is what Trump says. It's basic common sense and remains so regardless of who says it.

If that means there something Trump is right about and you're wrong about, well I'm sorry but that's a you problem and I don't care how butthurt that idea makes you feel. Nobody is forcing you to believe such silly things.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 16:25

A broken clock and all that

Trump is no protector of women, erasing women on a daily basis

And they do not stay out of the UK

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/woman-found-guilty-uk-abortion-free-speech-case-monitored-by-us-2025-04-04/

StandFirm · 17/04/2025 16:29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_UK
It's a thing.
They are franchising their ideology which is basically anti-everything except white males.
(I am now expecting to hear that Wikipedia is biased...)

Turning Point UK - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_UK

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 16:49

StandFirm · 17/04/2025 16:29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_UK
It's a thing.
They are franchising their ideology which is basically anti-everything except white males.
(I am now expecting to hear that Wikipedia is biased...)

Wow. Formed 6 years ago, only has about 100 followers on Facebook and hasn't posted in more than two years.

Yes, now I see you are right. This is conclusive proof that British democracy is being undermined by American right wing groups.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 16:50

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 16:34

Reform is quite keen on US donors, sovereignity doesn't really count when it comes to money.

https://www.ft.com/content/ecb81e0e-11f6-469b-86ef-8e29996b9019

They're all guilty of this though.

The Lib Dems have accepted a lot of donations from manufacturers of puberty blockers, for example.

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 16:58

Reform is gaining ground, this is also linked to our own politics. Ie backlash to Labour and Starmer.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 17:01

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 16:25

A broken clock and all that

Trump is no protector of women, erasing women on a daily basis

And they do not stay out of the UK

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/woman-found-guilty-uk-abortion-free-speech-case-monitored-by-us-2025-04-04/

I don't see the problem.

This article is about an American nutter, who came to the UK, broke UK laws about protesting outside abortion clinics, and was dealt with in court. Comments from across the pond from people who have no authority in the UK about her right to free speech seem to have been met with the big old shrug they deserved.

It is an article about American right wingers failing to influence UK law and policy.

FrippEnos · 17/04/2025 17:01

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/04/2025 17:36

Stonewall is not "the left".

And yet everything that is not liked is being shoehorned into being the far/ultra right.
Its interesting to see which side does it more and which side complains the loudest when it is done back to them.

JHound · 17/04/2025 17:07

I wish the Sons of Jacob currently in power in the USA could just fuck off out of our business.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 17:37

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 16:58

Reform is gaining ground, this is also linked to our own politics. Ie backlash to Labour and Starmer.

That is not something to celebrate and if people actually read their policies they can see why.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 17:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 17:01

I don't see the problem.

This article is about an American nutter, who came to the UK, broke UK laws about protesting outside abortion clinics, and was dealt with in court. Comments from across the pond from people who have no authority in the UK about her right to free speech seem to have been met with the big old shrug they deserved.

It is an article about American right wingers failing to influence UK law and policy.

Yes they failed but that doesn't diminish their influence.

Musk backs Tommy Robinson, do you think that is not a problem either because Robinson's appeal was dimissed?

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 17:42

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 17:37

That is not something to celebrate and if people actually read their policies they can see why.

That’s with Labour. If they keep getting it wrong they’ll see poor results and loss of support to Reform.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 17:57

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 17:42

That’s with Labour. If they keep getting it wrong they’ll see poor results and loss of support to Reform.

There are other parties people can turn to instead of Reform and their Maga supporting leader.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 17:59

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 17:40

Yes they failed but that doesn't diminish their influence.

Musk backs Tommy Robinson, do you think that is not a problem either because Robinson's appeal was dimissed?

If they failed, that shows that their influence isn't something that should keep us awake at night.

Tommy Robinson has been gobshiteing round the UK for years now. Why is he now suddenly being name-dropped in a discussion where some people are alleging - without any compelling evidence - that the American far right is having a significant influence in the UK?

As a reminder, the OP posted a link to a very poorly written Guardian article which alleges that some libraries in the UK have been asked to remove some books about LGBTQ topics and this is evidence of political interference by American right wingers. It neither specifies which books libraries have been asked to remove, nor identifies the people who have requested their removal.

If you know more than a gnat's fart about gender critical feminism in the UK, you will know that it is highly likely that most or at least some of the books in question are books which glorify self harm and promote the falsehood that humans can change sex to children, and that the people campaigning for their removal are likely to be left wing feminists, gay people and clued up parents who have educated themselves about this stuff. As such, it almost certainly has the square root of fuck all to do with the American far right, and a lot more to do with British people reasonably believing that these books are not suitable for children.

It's also worth noting that trans activists in both the US and the UK have made a real concerted effort to ban and cancel books by gender critical feminists such as Kathleen Stock, Helen Joyce, Hannah Barnes and others. Not to mention their attacks on children's authors such as Gillian Phillips and Rachel Rooney who don't toe the TWAW party line, and widespread calls to cancel the Harry Potter series, which have obviously failed because JK Rowling is too big to cancel, but it certainly isn't for lack of trying. But FUNNILY ENOUGH that doesn't seem to be troubling any of your pretty little heads.

Obviously none of this has got anything to do with Tommy Robinson, but in the absence of any evidence to support the original point, random shit flinging will have to suffice.

JHound · 17/04/2025 18:13

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 17:42

That’s with Labour. If they keep getting it wrong they’ll see poor results and loss of support to Reform.

Tories are the ones losing support to Reform.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 18:14

I am against book censorship

You don't worry about the influence of US pressure groups, I do.
It doesn't keep me awake at night though.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 18:19

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 18:14

I am against book censorship

You don't worry about the influence of US pressure groups, I do.
It doesn't keep me awake at night though.

If you're against book censorship then you should be more worried about trans activists than just about anyone else, tbh.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 18:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 18:19

If you're against book censorship then you should be more worried about trans activists than just about anyone else, tbh.

No, I don't need to be more worried about trans activist, I will leave that to you.

jellyfishperiwinkle · 17/04/2025 18:25

I hope most librarians are of a fairly liberal persuasion and would tell them to fuck off.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 18:28

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 18:23

No, I don't need to be more worried about trans activist, I will leave that to you.

So you're not actually against book censorship then. You're against people who disagree with you about stuff.

Hypocrite.

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 18:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 18:28

So you're not actually against book censorship then. You're against people who disagree with you about stuff.

Hypocrite.

No, I disagree that I should be more worried about one group over others

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 18:41

bemoresloth · 17/04/2025 18:39

No, I disagree that I should be more worried about one group over others

If I were concerned about book censorship I would be most worried about the group making the most attempts at book censorship.

Which is trans activists, many of whom actually work in bookshops and libraries.

EasternStandard · 17/04/2025 20:07

JHound · 17/04/2025 18:13

Tories are the ones losing support to Reform.

I suppose if that helps people but Labour are sliding down in the polls. Especially in relation to GE. I guess we’ll see how the local elections and Runcorn go.

The key point was whoever they take votes from here people are better off looking at Labour’s policies than the US. The impact and outcomes are more domestic than that.